Episode Overview
In this episode, Bart interviews Jason Allison about the challenges and opportunities of leading leaders in normative-sized churches. Jason shares insights from his extensive experience working with churches through multiple organizations and provides practical guidance for pastors looking to develop leaders rather than just delegate tasks.
Guest Bio
Jason Allison serves in multiple roles supporting church leaders:
- Director of Church Strengthening for Converge Mid-Atlantic
- Staff member at a church plant near Columbus, Ohio
- Founder of the Church Talk Project and host of the Church Talk Podcast
- Vision Day consultant for 95Network
Key Discussion Points
Understanding Church Leadership Development
- Most normative-sized churches (50-500 members) struggle with leading leaders
- Clear distinction between delegation and development
- Biblical mandate to equip saints for ministry (Ephesians 4)
Leadership Development Framework
Progression of church involvement:
- Attender (primary function: learning)
- Volunteer (primary function: serving)
- Task Team Leader (organizing and administration)
- Group Leader
- Leader of Leaders (shepherding responsibility)
Common Challenges in Leadership Development
- Pastors doing everything themselves because it's "easier"
- Focus on delegation without development
- Lack of clear vision and values
- Time constraints for both pastor and potential leaders
- The "tyranny of Sunday" - constant pressure of weekly responsibilities
Practical Steps for Leading Leaders
1. Starting Point
- Clarify your disciple-making vision
- Spend time observing people in action
- Start with just two potential leaders (not twelve)
- Invest in your own leadership growth
2. Development Process
- Move beyond simple task delegation
- Follow the discipleship journey:
- I do, you watch
- I do, you help
- You do, I watch and help
- You do, I cheer
3. Setting Goals and Metrics
- Define clear objectives beyond task completion
- Establish key performance indicators
- Regular evaluation and debriefing
- Build accountability into systems
Tips for Success
- Start small and go slow
- Honor current leaders while developing new ones
- Focus on vision alignment
- Don't be afraid to let people try and learn
- Remember many people are eager for mentoring
Words of Encouragement
- Don't be afraid despite challenging times
- Remember you have the message of hope
- Focus on serving Jesus, not just people
- Keep going even when things seem dark
Resources and Contact Information
- Church Talk Podcast (available on major streaming platforms)
- Website: churchtalkproject.com
- Email: jason@churchtalkproject.com
- Converge Mid-Atlantic: convergemidatlantic.com
