In this conversation, host, Max Goller, and Secular Saint, Ben Price, discuss the evolution of the Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund (CELDF) and its mission to empower communities to assert their rights against environmental degradation. They explore the shift from traditional regulatory approaches to a focus on community rights and self-governance, emphasizing the importance of local decision-making in environmental matters. The discussion also touches on the historical context of democracy in the U.S., the role of education in fostering community empowerment, and the need to challenge systemic injustices that prioritize corporate interests over public health and safety.