Scott DeLuzio    00:03    Thanks for tuning in to the Drive On Podcast where we talk about issues affecting veterans after they get out of the military. Before we get started, I would like to ask a favor if you have not done so already, please rate and review the show on Apple podcast. If you have already done that. Thank you. These ratings help the show get discovered so it can reach a wider audience. And while you are there, click the subscribe button so that you get notified of new episodes as soon as they come out. If you do not use Apple podcasts, you can visit Drive On Podcast.com/subscribe to find other ways of subscribing, including our email lists. I am your host Scott DeLuzio. And now let’s get on with the show.

Scott DeLuzio:    00:46    Hey everyone. Today my guest is Dr. Margaret Rutherford, who is a psychologist, the host of the self-work podcast and the author of the book perfectly hidden depression. I am certain I am missing a few accolades, so, Dr. Rutherford, welcome to the show.  Why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, your background, and what you do?

Dr. Margaret Rutherford:    01:08    Sure. Thanks Scott so much. Oh, there are so many accolades. I can barely, you know, I have paparazzi standing outside the window. Well I have a bit of an interesting route to be a psychologist if you would like to hear that. I was a professional singer in my twenties. I sang jazz and jingles. I think jazz at night, and then I sang, radio and television advertisements. And so, I did that for eight or nine years. I was not doing well with the lifestyle. Music’s a hard business to be in and it’s pretty cutthroat and there is the longest contract sometimes is a month in a hotel and you are supposed to be glad you got that. So, I was not doing very well.  I heard about this thing called music therapy and I took all the money I had in the world and put it down at SMU in Dallas and began that career.

Dr. Margaret Rutherford:    02:04    And as soon as I finished up my training, I was at an internship site and it was at a psych hospital. And I said, Oh no, this is what I want to do. And I had been in therapy for a long time and it had really helped me. And so, I turned the boat around. And so, it was about nine years before I was at the Fairmont closing the bar there, with my singing and seeing my first patient. So, it took almost a decade to do that, but it was well worth the effort. I loved being a musician, but really, being a therapist is my passion.

Scott DeLuzio:    02:39    Well, that is great. And I always like to hear people’s background stories, like how they get to where they are because it is never a straight path. It’s never that, I went to college and I knew exactly what I wanted to do and I got my degree in that and I wound up doing that thing for the next 30 something years or whatever.

Dr. Margaret Rutherford:    02:58    There are those people, but many more now are just going from thing to thing. And I am certainly a good example of that. Sure, absolutely.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And it is interesting to hear the different paths that people take.

Dr. Margaret Rutherford:    03:09    Yeah. The fun thing about doing the podcast was that I was in front of a microphone again, I was comfortable in front of a microphone, so that was funny.

Scott DeLuzio:    03:17    That’s true too. And it merges the two backgrounds. That is great.  I mentioned earlier that you wrote the book titled Perfectly Hidden Depression. That is not just a catchy title...