Dr. Natasha Bajema interviews Michelle Dover from the Ploughshares Fund. We discuss coronavirus, fiction, and how to think about the risks of nuclear weapons during a global pandemic. Michelle is the director of programs at Ploughshares Fund, where she leads the grantmaking team for funding efforts to promote the elimination of nuclear weapons, prevent the emergence of new nuclear states, and build regional peace. She is also the co-host of the Press the Button podcast, which features top officials and experts discussing the latest developments on Iran, North Korea, nuclear weapons, military budgets and foreign policy.