This week Dave and Gunnar talk with special guest star and elder statesman of open source in security and government, Dr. David A. Wheeler about Heartbleed, security reviews, and why security vulnerabilities are like human organs.

We Give Thanks
- Dr. David A. Wheeler for guest starring and everything he’s done to advance the cause of open source in government.
- Summer Maynard and Robin Price for giving us ideas to talk about
- Paul Rotilie for helping with the FLOSS numbers database

Special Guest: David A. Wheeler.