Paul Bloom joins us to talk about why we want to suffer. Sometimes it's a means to an end, but sometimes we desire it for its own sake.
Among other things, we talk about mountain-climbing, whether you'd want to run just the end of the marathon, experience machines, BDSM, and parenting.
Plus, a very special extra guest host, kidney donation, pronouns, and trigger warnings.
Special Guest: Paul Bloom.
