"What's so valuable about human attention?" I ask Ron Placone, comedian, filmmaker, political commentator, horizontal sleeper and lover of cats and cat love. We talk about the challenges of an artistic career in a world run by inhuman monsters, swap atheism origin stories, eco-socialism vs barbarism and have an honest manly discussion about our feelings and love for cats while I try to bully Ron into adopting mine.
Full Episode 194 on YouTube:
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