In this conversation, Brad Gotto and Carly Carlson discuss the journey of Matt Eicheldinger, a former middle school teacher turned author. They explore themes of patience, long-term thinking, and the challenges of building a meaningful career. Matt shares his experiences with rejection, the motivation that kept him going, and the importance of self-driven learning. He talks about his extensive journey to becoming a published author, emphasizing the importance of resilience, perseverance, and the long-term commitment required to achieve success in the writing industry. The conversation highlights the significance of being a lifelong learner and the value of sharing one's story to inspire others.