r/zen is a reddit forum about Zen scholarship, study, and practice.
Summary: ""One who has not attained is an old crow in a cloth bag, as if dead even though alive."
Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/comments/vxrh31/measuring_tap_the_living_and_the_deadthoughalive/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
