Lisa and Kari are talking about burnout, and how common it is to hear about it in the workplace, but also with parents, college students, athletes, or really anyone who subscribes to the grind culture of pushing themselves and going above and beyond all the time. It's exhausting! But who is responsible for the burnout? Both women feel it's the culture that can cause burnout, and NOT a personal weakness or illness. Listen to their experiences and ideas about how to deal with burnout, and as always, let them know your thoughts and experiences on the subject by emailing thethingsweknowpodcast23@gmail.com. Kari and Lisa would love to hear from you!