Season 3 starts here! Onto the swords suit. Today is the Ace of Swords and so we wonder about what it means to know something and talk about animal vigilance and how it shapes our perceptions of the world and the sorts of things we value knowing. We talk about embodied cognition. Phil shares more about his spiritual journeying. Outro music featuring Phil's prayer bowl, Sister Ray by Foxes, and quotations from Stephen Pattison's Shame Theory, Therapy, and Theology. Sound is a little funny from time to time due to Ben and Phil recording in separate rooms (Phil from the bathtub) and there being some weird feedback on Ben's mic. We're sorry abt that. XOXO podfam!