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"We recruit student athletes that fit. And it's hard to define, but there is a fit up here in the mountains of North Carolina. It's not for everybody, but if you want to come get a world-class education and play for championships, this is a place people come and they come in with a chip on their shoulder and they play hard."

That's what Doug Gillin, Director of Athletics at Appalachian State, says about fit and culture at the school in Boone, N.C. In this episode of On the Fly, host Gene DeFilippo takes Gillin through his career journey and how App State has found success at the highest levels of athletics—and pulled off some memorable upsets in the process.