In this episode of Let's Talk About CBT- Practice Matters, Rachel is joined by Dr Alasdair Churchard, clinical psychologist, CBT therapist and NIHR pre doctoral fellow at the University of Oxford. Alasdair's work focuses on ethnic inequalities in psychological therapies, and together they explore why historical context matters in CBT practice.
The discussion covers the importance of addressing ethnic inequalities in mental health services and explores practical considerations for therapists, including how to broach difficult historical topics, the balance of asking versus self-education, and the need to focus on histories of strength and self-empowerment alongside trauma.
Further resources:
- Language used: Talking about race and ethnicity at work | The Law Society, Writing about ethnicity - GOV.UK
- RHO report: Ethnic Inequalities in Improving Access to Psychological Therapies (IAPT)
- MHA detentions: Detentions under the Mental Health Act - GOV.UK Ethnicity facts and figures
- Marmot report: Structural Racism, Ethnicity and Health Inequalities in London - IHE
- Bansal meta-ethnography: Bansal, N., Karlsen, S., Sashidharan, S. P., Cohen, R., Chew-Graham, C. A., & Malpass, A. (2022). Understanding ethnic inequalities in mental healthcare in the UK: A meta-ethnography. PLoS Medicine, 19(12), e1004139.
- Some culturally-adapted CBT links:
- Williams, M. T. (2020). Managing microaggressions: Addressing everyday racism in therapeutic spaces. Oxford University Press.
- Rathod, S., Kingdon, D., Pinninti, N., Turkington, D., & Phiri, P. (2015). Cultural adaptation of CBT for serious mental illness: a guide for training and practice. John Wiley & Sons.
- Beck, A. (2016). Transcultural cognitive behaviour therapy for anxiety and depression: A practical guide. Routledge.
- Iwamasa, G. Y., & Hays, P. A. (2019). Culturally responsive cognitive behavior therapy: Practice and supervision (pp. xi-348). American Psychological Association.
- Lawton, L., Thwaites, R., & Warnock-Parkes, E. (2025). Using cognitive therapy for PTSD when racism was part of the traumatic event (s): case illustrations and practical considerations for therapists and supervisors. the Cognitive Behaviour Therapist, 18, e31.
- What is metacompetence?: Whittington, A., & Grey, N. (2014). Mastering metacompetence: The science and art of cognitive behavioural therapy. How to become a more effective CBT therapist: Mastering metacompetence in clinical practice, 1-16.
- Helen Kennerley on the working relationship: Kennerley, H. (2014). Developing and maintaining a working alliance in CBT. How to become a more effective CBT therapist: Mastering metacompetence in clinical practice, 31-43.
- Ian Andrew James on kitchen sink formulations: James, I. A. (2010). Cognitive behavioural therapy with older people: Interventions for those with and without dementia. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
- Ken Laidlaw on formulation: Laidlaw, K. (2014). CBT for older people: An introduction.
- Source for Seamus Heaney quotes: Heaney, S. (2014). Crediting Poetry: The Nobel Lecture. Farrar, Straus and Giroux.
- DPR model:
- Churchard, A. (2022). How can psychotherapists improve their practice with service users from minoritised ethnicities? An application of the Declarative-Procedural-Reflective (DPR) model of clinical skill development. The Cognitive Behaviour Therapist, 15, e1.
- Thwaites, R., Churchard, A., Mofrad, L., Wood, D., & Brooks-Ucheaga, M. (2025). Considering the whole self: integrating identity (s), context and power into the declarative procedural reflective (DPR) model of CBT practitioner development. The Cognitive Behaviour Therapist, 18, e35.
- SP/SR for therapists from minoritised ethnicities:
- Chowdhury, S. S., Churchard, A., Lawton, L., Malik, Z., Thwaites, R., & Clements, H. (2025). A novel self-practice/self-reflection programme for CBT therapists from minoritised ethnic backgrounds: a multiple baselines single case experimental study. the Cognitive Behaviour Therapist, 18, e15.
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