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In this episode, Bree interviews Lisa Martin (she/her): author of A STORY CAN BE TOLD ABOUT PAIN (2025), BELIEVING IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING SAVED (2017), ONE CROW SORROW (2008), and the scholarly CREATIVE WRITING IN POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION (2025). She also co-edited HOW TO EXPECT WHAT YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING (2013), a collection of essays on parenthood, pregnancy, and loss. 

Lisa is an Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at MacEwan University, and her work has won a National Magazine Award for Personal Journalism and the Stephan G. Stephansson Award for Poetry. She was a finalist for the Robert Kroetsch City of Edmonton Book Prize in 2018.

Together they discuss the launch of Lisa's latest work, themes of dereliction and reclaimation, teaching creative writing, and the 19 year journey to create this novel.