You're working hard. You're skilled. You're committed. So why do the same frustrations keep showing up — in your team, in your organization, and if you're honest, in yourself?
In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Ryan Gottfredson — Wall Street Journal and USA Today bestselling author, professor of leadership at Cal State Fullerton, and global authority on vertical development — to explore the question that changes everything: it's not what leaders need to do, it's who leaders need to be.
We dig into:
- The difference between your Doing Side (talent, knowledge, skills) and your Being Side (mindsets, emotional regulation, internal operating system) — and why most leaders miss their "being" side
- The three vertical development levels — Mind 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 — and why 64% of adults never move beyond the first
- What Fifth Gear leadership looks like (urgency, control, high RPMs) and why pushing harder only leads to more burnout
- How shifting into Sixth Gear allows you to move faster with less strain — and what it actually takes to get there
- Three levels of Being Side development work: surface, deeper, and deepest — and practical starting points for each
- Why our fears and unconscious programming, not our lack of skill, are what's really holding us back
Resources Mentioned:
- Ryan Gottfredson's website & free assessments (Personal Mindset Assessment + Vertical Development Assessment)
- Becoming Better: The Groundbreaking Science of Personal Transformation by Dr. Ryan Gottfredson
- The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk
- The Five Minute Journal by Intelligent Change
- You Are a Badass by Jen Sincero
- Hit Refresh by Satya Nadella
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