Facts tell but stories sell, so what does great B2B storytelling look like today?
In this episode of Beyond B2B Marketing, host Lee Odden sits down with Michael Brenner, VP of Thought Leadership and Customer Advocacy at Workday, to talk about how empathy-driven content can help B2B brands tell stories that build trust, drive retention, and stand out.
Michael shares insights from his journey from sales to marketing leadership and explains why "marketing has a marketing problem." He argues that marketing's true role is not promotion, it's helping. The conversation covers how thought leadership should focus on consistent value, why retention is the most overlooked growth lever in B2B, and how customer advocacy strengthens both acquisition and loyalty.
They also talk about the AI productivity paradox and why AI adoption is ultimately a leadership challenge vs. one about technology. Michael outlines practical guidance for redefining roles, measuring outcomes, and ensuring that storytelling remains human in a world of AI and generative content.
If you are a B2B marketer, CMO, content strategist, or business leader looking to create more meaningful engagement and measurable impact, this episode delivers actionable insights you can apply immediately.
Here's a timeline of their conversation:
00:00 Introduction to Michael Brenner and His Journey
01:39 Transition from Sales to Marketing
03:21 Role at Workday: Thought Leadership and Customer Advocacy
07:49 Defining Thought Leadership in Marketing
12:44 The Importance of Retention in Marketing
16:47 Influencer Collaboration in B2B Marketing
20:16 Experiential Content in Thought Leadership
23:49 Navigating the Productivity Trap with AI
29:35 Workforce Trends and AI Adoption
31:09 Empathy-Driven Leadership and Workforce Trends
32:37 The Role of Trust in Marketing
34:31 Human Connection in AI-Driven Marketing
37:16 Evolution of Marketing Channels
40:11 The Importance of Storytelling in Marketing
41:38 Crafting Emotional B2B Stories
44:23 Balancing Informative and Emotional Content
51:55 Breaking Free from the Status Quo in Marketing
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