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What do you do when life doesn't fall apart—but it also just doesn't feel right anymore?

In this Crew Convo, Chad sits down with longtime leader and mentor Kevin Penry to talk about the "In-Between" —the moment when the old path no longer fits, the next one isn't clear yet, and success starts to feel strangely empty. In this episode, you'll hear:

• Why predictable lives quietly drain us—and why we're wired for surprise anbd adventure.
• How "the tension you can't avoid" becomes the doorway to growth (Kevin calls it optimal conflict)
• What to do when you're between what was and what's next (without forcing clarity)
• Why trying to control the outcome can keep you from the life you're actually meant to live, one with deep joy and meaning.

If you've been feeling restless, off-track, or unsure why the life you worked for doesn't feel as satisfying as you expected, this conversation will help you slow down, re-center, and trust what's taking shape off the map.

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