An interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT on how therapists can navigate when clients die. We look at what to do when clients die by suicide, die based on high risk lifestyles, or long-term illnesses. We also talk about the complicated emotions that therapists face in this isolated grief.
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.
To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
Interview with Debi Frankle, LMFT
Debi Jenkins Frankle is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Grief Specialist and Trainer. Debi has been working with grievers for over 25 years. She and husband, Mark Frankle LMFT, are the co-founders of the Calabasas Counseling and Grief Recovery Center. Debi is the founder of Private Practice Grief Workshops and Trainings for Mental Health Professionals as well as the FB group for therapists: Private Practice Grief.
Debi’s areas of expertise are grief and trauma. Debi has led trainings for grief counseling professionals throughout the United States and Canada. Debi is a past president of San Fernando Valley chapter of CAMFT, past committee co-chair of the Crisis Response Network for SFV CAMFT and a member of the Association for Death Education (ADEC).
In her spare time, she plays in dirt and hangs out with dogs (and her husband too!).
In this episode we talk about:
How therapists can handle when a client dies by suicide
Legal and logistical considerations
The importance of grounding yourself and seeking out consultation with a trusted colleague
The stigma leading to therapists avoiding disclosing when clients die by suicide
Considerations in contacting the family of the client and how to handle the conversation
The complicated emotions that therapists can face as professionals and as grievers
Deciding to go to the funeral
The isolated grief that therapists face
How grief can be different when a client dies by something preventable, or something they caused - disenfranchised grief or discounted grief
The uniqueness of the therapist’s response
The different types of losses and the reactions we have to them
The emotional reactions that therapists should allow in treatment (and should not allow)
The importance of doing your own work regarding your own losses
How therapists can defer the conversations in treatment away from the necessary grief work
How to manage the rest of the caseload when you’ve experienced a personal loss or a client has died
The modeling we can do for our clients
What happens when your therapy dog dies and how to manage that with your clients
The work we need to do to be better at working with grief overall
