My guest this week is Dr Kate de Bruin, Senior Lecturer in the field of inclusion and disability at Monash University in Melbourne. She talks about her work on inclusive education in Australia but also draws on her experience researching other inclusive systems around the world. Kate gives a great introduction to multi—tiered systems of support (MTSS) and outlines the work she has done on exploring evidence-based classroom practices and learning interventions that fit within Tiers 1 and 2 of multi-tiered systems of support. Our conversation finishes with Kate talking about the human rights in education and she describes the weight of evidence for why we must implement inclusive education in order to protect these rights.