Christianity focuses a lot on how to nourish yourself spiritually, but it condemns anything about bringing pleasure to oneself. Being sex positive is seen as taboo by many Christians – but do we really need to see it in such a negative light? Author and public theologian Rev. Beverly Dale disagrees, and she joins Clare Sente to discuss why pleasure-focused Christianity is not an impossibility. She explains how Church Fathers and “empire thinking” are to blame for our deeply ingrained displeasure with pleasure itself, as well as the widespread sexual ignorance and repression. Rev. Dale also talks about her work as the founder of Incarnation Institute for Sex & Faith, where she teaches health professionals and fellow clergy on making sex and pleasure empowering, healing, and liberating.