Today’s episode included the following speakers (in the order they appear):
Opening quote: Bregetta Wilson – Lived Experience Coordination, Wisconsin’s Department for Children and Families
Host: Luke Waldo
Experts:
00:00 – Bregetta Wilson – “I kind of joke a little bit. Some of my colleagues and I, we say, “We’ve got to burn it down and start all over.” And in reality, that would make a lot of sense, but it’s very unrealistic. So how can we do what we can from where we’re sitting? And how can we make some remodeling happen, so to speak, within our system?”
00:28 - Luke Waldo – Introduction to final episode and first segment. Whether you are a child welfare director or case manager, a teacher or neighbor, I hope that you are able to find an idea from advocating for and implementing impactful, proven policies and practices to shifting how we think about and treat our communities and families that have been crushed by the heavy hand of systemic oppression and generational trauma and poverty.
4:13 – Bryan Samuels – “If I’m sitting in a child welfare director’s seat, I would” review the neglect definition and how we operationalize it to ensure that we have the best possible definition and our practice is reflective of that definition.
6:04 – Bregetta Wilson – Lived Experience Partners have helped define safety language in our child welfare system through shared decision-making.
6:45 - Luke Waldo – We can take some initial steps to reduce family separations for reasons of neglect by reviewing our state and organizational policies and how they define neglect. We can then share power by refining those policies with Lived Experience partners. Additionally, we can review data to determine if our practices truly align with our neglect definition and policies.
7:54 – Bryan Samuels - Review the data to determine if we are, in fact, separating families based on the definition of neglect, and if we could be serving families in different ways and systems.
9:20 - Jennifer Jones – If we are to tackle systemic inequities and improve health outcomes, then we have to reduce adversity and exposure to trauma.
10:38 – Bregetta Wilson - If we are to meaningfully remedy the historical injustices in our communities, we must value the voice of Lived Experience partners and put them in positions of power that can create systems change. “…and on the back end, we’re getting the outcomes because we know that this is what families said that they need and want.”
13:00 - Luke Waldo – We must use data to inform how we are in fact separating families and who we are disproportionately affecting. From there, how might we change policies such as our mandated reporting standards? How might we educate and train system actors like mandated reporters to confront the mental models and biases that lead to disproportionate numbers of Black, Hispanic and Native American families being investigated and separated by our child welfare system? We should elevate the voice and power of those with Lived Experience to begin tackling systemic oppression and leveling the playing field.
14:45 - Dr. Kristi Slack - We need to address mental models so that we see overloaded families as not always having control over their situations. The pandemic and recession built some empathy in our society as many people suddenly experienced hardship.
16:04 – Dr. Kristi Slack – Means-tested programs like food stamps (SNAP) and the Child Tax Credit are all policies that can serve as maltreatment prevention tools along with the coordination of other systems such as child care centers and schools to support families before they enter the system. We have to be careful to not create more surveillance.
17:53 - Tim Grove – Marshall Plan to improve human capital. Relational connection is our superpower. How do we get people more safe and connected? If we increase everyone’s social connections by 20%, we create the potential for bringing our best selves to solve these complex problems.
21:20 - Luke Waldo – When we invest in concrete economic supports such as a universal basic income or SNAP, we not only reduce the likelihood of neglect for many children, but we also reduce the costs to society of child welfare, healthcare, and criminal justice, just to name a few. How might we confront mindsets that blame poverty entirely on individuals, and reflect on the reality that systems often contribute to entering and remaining in poverty? How might we build more collective empathy that leads to these policy changes that might ensure that safe, affordable housing, healthy food, and childcare is accessible to all?
At a practice level, we should explore programs like the Early Intervention Services that divert families that are experiencing poverty from child welfare to anti-poverty and housing programs.
We need to invest in communities and programs that enhance overloaded families’ social capital.
22:50 - Julie Woodbury – We need to be more proactive, be prepared to meet families’ needs when they first present them. We need to be more trauma-informed, so that we can model healthy boundaries.
23:22 – Ashlee Jackson - Address mistrust by sharing that overloaded families aren’t alone, that you’ve worked with families that experience the same underlying challenges. Support and encourage them, sharing that you believe that they can get through it.
24:02 – Bregetta Wilson – Put families first when developing and implementing our policies, practices and resources.
24:21 – Ashlee Jackson – Advocating for an expanded definition of family so that children can be placed with relatives while their parents work on what they need to do.
24:52 - Bregetta Wilson - Kinship care and kinship navigators put an emphasis on placing kids with their family members. Use data to inform changes. Lived Experience is not new to DCF as it has influenced a lot of decisions over the years like mandated foster parent training and ensuring that youth aging out of foster care have health insurance.
26:35 - Luke Waldo - We do best by families when we let them lead. We have promising and effective programs like Family Finding and Kinship Navigators that seek to keep children with their families, traditions and cultures.
27:30 - Dr. Kristi Slack – We don’t have a prevention system. In fact, identifying prevention services in communities is very complex as there is no single repository. Additionally, many prevention services don’t necessarily prevent maltreatment, so we should begin looking more carefully at what does, especially economic support programs. More specifically, prevention programs should understand the impacts of economic stress on parenting, and importance of economic mobility in their practices.
30:01 - Bregetta Wilson - Build Lived Experience partners’ capacity to advance our efforts to address bias.
31:32 - Dr. Kristi Slack - Listen to families and what they need. A study that they conducted asked workers and families “what do families need?”, and the two groups had different answers. Workers cited parenting while families cited economic support. We need to know what families feel they need as they are the experts on their lives.
33:12 - Luke Waldo – We must do a better job of prioritizing families’ needs over our systems’ timelines and demands. We also need to evaluate the impacts and efficacy of many of our prevention programs, so that we might begin to centralize prevention programs that keep families safe and together into a more comprehensive prevention system.
34:07 - Bryan Samuels - Social innovation and Collective Impact frameworks can bring people together, especially those that have not been there historically, to provide structure to the relationships, networks and systems change work.
36:20 – Julie Woodbury - Describes Collective Impact, data walk, the problem their community faces, and the goals that they set.
38:06 - Bregetta Wilson - “Do what you can from the seat that you’re in.” As systems and organizations are implementing Lived Experience into their practice, it is important to define what the intent is so that there isn’t tokenism, but rather real application for systems change.
40:23 – Luke Waldo – Introducing next segment.
40:38 - Tim Grove – Study with ICFW Clinical Director Dimitri Topitzes explored effectiveness of trauma-informed care. Trauma-informed care can’t just be addressed through training, but rather through culture-shaping.
43:48 – Bregetta Wilson - We need to compensate our Lived Experience partners, and understand the emotional labor that they carry through their work.
44:17 - Dr. Kristi Slack - Evidence-based practice is talking to families about all their options, finding out what they need and where there’s alignment with what’s out there, and then sharing the evidence that supports those options, so that they can make an informed decision as to what they believe will work best for them. “I’m interested in what works for whom.”
46:23 - Bregetta Wilson - Parents Supporting Parents program. Pairing Lived Experience partners with parents that are currently involved in the system, so that they have an advocate that truly understands their experience.
47:00 - Julie Woodbury - Bring everyone together from government to business to Lived Experience partners to social services, and then get community to work together differently through Collective Impact. Once we get the community used to working together, we can normalize this collaboration.
48:31 - Luke Waldo – Whether through Collective Impact, Social Innovation or another framework, systems and community collaboration must become normalized if we are to prevent family separations for reasons of neglect. Through Lived Experience or Peer Support programs, we share power with those most impacted by our systems, and empower leadership and ownership opportunities that can lead to meaningful systems change. Practice models like Community Response models help deflect families from the child welfare system to supportive services such as Family Resource Centers that may lead to social capital that we know is so critical in preventing future neglect.
49:34 – Jennifer Jones - “Prevention happens in partnership.” A public health approach to prevention is essential as it requires all of us.
50:20 - Tim Grove - How do we bring together people from and within communities that don’t always talk to one another to work towards collective solutions? There is a deep resolve to solve these complex problems.
52:50 - Luke Waldo – To prevent neglect we will need to take a structural approach that requires that we partner across systems that include our child welfare, anti-poverty, and housing systems to name a few, and across our communities that include organizations and individuals that haven’t worked together or even necessarily agreed with one another on many things previously.
54:03 - Dr. Kristi Slack – Provides a number of directions that we can go to improve our child maltreatment prevention approaches – policies, public campaigns, and addressing mental models. “There’s a fine line between parental neglect of a child and societal neglect of families.”
56:28 - Bryan Samuels - Child welfare starts on a new big idea or strategy until another one comes along, and then they abandon the previous strategy. This is an exciting, dynamic time for child welfare with more great ideas than we’ve had in a long time, so it’s important that we choose the right strategies and see them through.
59:02 – Luke Waldo – Closing. How might we take these great ideas and translate them into impactful, sustainable solutions for overloaded families?
1:03:03 – Luke Waldo – Gratitude and Goodbye
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