[00:00:00] Kalen: we need like a cool ass like gospel pianist in the background. It's been a while.
[00:00:06] Kalen: Been a while.
[00:00:07] Mark: So late show. Yeah. Someone has to like, play our intro and then gr shots.
[00:00:12] Kalen: We used to go to this like gospel church and they would every once in, they had really talented musicians, professional musicians that worked in LA and oh yeah. They would sometimes just spontaneously start rocking out.
[00:00:26] Kalen: It was the coolest thing ever. Was such a blast.
[00:00:30] Mark: Church. Some churches, like contemporary churches and gospel churches have like really good musician. They're like professional. Oh
[00:00:36] Kalen: yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. They're like real serious musicians. How you been? So what You been up? Oh, good.
[00:00:44] Kalen: I didn't do any deploys on Fridays. You still not deploying Fridays even with Shopify or you
[00:00:50] Mark: Yeah, even Shopify. If anyone does deploy on Friday, it's like at their own risk. It's okay, do you want a week on? Did you wanna work on the weekends? It's okay. It's if it breaks, like that's fine.
[00:01:02] Mark: So it's not you.
[00:01:04] Kalen: I feel like even if you wanted to deploy on Fridays, like now the, now you're your bug is such a meme that like you wouldn't wanna do it just 'cause Yeah. You wouldn't wanna what's the word? What's the word? You wouldn't wanna counter your own Same.
[00:01:19] Kalen: What hell's the word
[00:01:20] Mark: yes. Yeah. Sometimes the problem though is clients request a change to, to deploy on Friday and then try to scare 'em off and like maybe send 'em a free mug that says Never deploy on Friday. That's slightly passive aggressive. It's here's a coupon for this free product.
[00:01:39] Kalen: We try to scare him off. Maybe send him a free bug.
[00:01:42] Mark: Maybe they'll remember next Friday. Oh, are
[00:01:46] Kalen: dude I think I might've left at the hotel I was at this stupid little u s b converter that I used for my camera and other things. Oh. So it's a bummer. I'm on the old laptop camera.
[00:02:01] Mark: What do you normally use for a camera?
[00:02:03] Kalen: It's just this D S L R Joby. It's like a Oh
[00:02:07] Mark: yeah, just this. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I used to, yeah, it's just, yeah. Sorry. I used to have that. I still do, but I, it was a pain to travel with and now the iPhone has this like continuity thing so that you can just use your iPhone.
[00:02:23] Mark: It's pretty good.
[00:02:24] Kalen: Dude. I was just, because I finally got a decent iPhone, 'cause I usually have an older one and I started doing pickleball videos. So I was like, ah, I might as well get, this one. So then I was trying to set that up the other day. But my work computer has this weird apple id 'cause it has a management software tie that manages all the company computers.
[00:02:47] Kalen: That's it. M d m. So I couldn't because the thing actually has to be logged into the same iCloud. Yeah. Same Apple account. Yeah. Which is weird.
[00:02:56] Mark: There's something called camo, camo studio. If you want to do it without using the continuity, you actually have more options on camo.
[00:03:04] Mark: Really, it's like $25 or something, but if you're interested it's just a software out. Oh really? It was basically, it was doing it before Apple, made it first party.
[00:03:13] Kalen: Really? Yeah. Check it out. Maybe I'll just start doing this as we talk in the off chance that I end up figuring out I'm alive. 'cause it's it's driving me a little form, if I'm being honest. The quality driving me mildly insane. Yeah, just, I like being able to position it with the tripod and things like that and
[00:03:38] Mark: you crisp and clean. Yeah.
[00:03:40] Kalen: Yeah, dude. Gotta keep it crisp,
[00:03:43] Mark: keep it fresh.
[00:03:45] Kalen: But here we go. This is, that's the other thing too, is I think that if I connect anyways, I'm not gonna derail our whole podcast,
[00:03:54] Kalen: although I might. Okay. ' cause I was able to get it to where it could do a screen. If I set up the photo thing here, I think I got it to the point where it could do a screen capture. But it wasn't doing the actual regular camera capture, whatever. Anyways. Yeah, technology,
[00:04:19] Kalen: technology is,
[00:04:20] Kalen: oh, there you go. That's close. All right, so check this out, dude. So here's the camera. I probably can't. I can't change it anymore 'cause I already started recording. Okay. Alright. I'm gonna, I'm gonna let it go. Let it go. Let it go. I'll
[00:04:38] Mark: forget next time. Next time. I think these days, like the short clips and the short form stuff, it's like the quality doesn't matter that much.
[00:04:47] Mark: Yeah, you're totally right. It has to be passable. Yeah, you're totally right. Yeah. It's like computer webcams are decent now. Like the new MacBook airs and MacBook Pros have a pretty decent Yeah. Webcam too.
[00:05:00] Kalen: Oh yeah, they're pretty, they're super decent.
[00:05:02] Mark: I've noticed that the microphone is actually pretty good too.
[00:05:06] Mark: If you use the microphone on the laptop and then your AirPods for listening, it's way better than trying to do the Bluetooth audio from your AirPods 'cause it has to like downgrade. Bluetooth audio. And that's also why yeah, I have this mic on. I think you have the Rhodes thing. I've seen it before.
[00:05:25] Mark: Yep. Yeah. Yep.
[00:05:27] Kalen: It's, yep. But I this way better. This one also couldn't, I also could not plug this in because I don't have the, you the little converters
[00:05:35] Mark: just lost everything today because
[00:05:37] Kalen: that I use that U S B A to U S B C converter for this and the camera, basically everything. Stupid piece of garbage.
[00:05:46] Kalen: But I do think I have a U SS B, C to U S B C, which anyways, dude, I should just, I'll figure it for. I'll not disappoint you The next time around I'll have my ducks in a row. Okay. And just this morning I was like looking around like a madman was bugging my wife. I was like, I can't find my U s B converter.
[00:06:08] Kalen: Hell
[00:06:09] Mark: gotta get a backup. I'm obsessed with U S B hubs. I think I have four or five just Oh, do you? They're like, there's, they're cheap. And I kept on trying different ones and then never returning the old ones. So I like got a drawer of U S B hubs now.
[00:06:24] Kalen: Yeah, dude. I recently got one of those ones that just has it has a stand for you to plug in your phone.
[00:06:30] Kalen: And then it has a thing for your watch and then a thing for your ear AirPods. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. Type of thing. Yeah. I, I had gotten a really cheap rubber version of it that like, literally falls all over the place and then I was like, dude, just spend the $29 and get something that's sits, straight.
[00:06:50] Kalen: So I got that. It's been great. I, it's been like my favorite purchase of the last year of my life or something. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Have alright, so here, we're here now. We're now this is a great transition into the content. This is a fantastic segue. Yeah. Have you have you been into brands, like certain brands that you're a fan of, whether it's like a d to three brand or something else?
[00:07:12] Kalen: Have you been into different brands for a while? 'cause like personally I'm pretty much like just whatever's cheapest on Amazon has decent reviews. I've been like that for pretty much ever. And I'm just starting to get into some brands.
[00:07:27] Mark: I think to be honest, like I find brands on their website usually, or on Instagram, but I'm one of those people that then goes and buys it on Amazon.
[00:07:37] Mark: I'm like the worst kind of customer. Yeah,
[00:07:40] Kalen: dude. A hundred percent.
[00:07:42] Mark: I feel a little bad about that, yeah maybe at least Amazon is good for the first purchase because you can return so easily. Like you drop it off at Staples or U p Ss. But then if I, if like I become a fan of the brand and buy it repeatedly, then I'll think about maybe I'll buy it from, there.
[00:08:00] Mark: Yeah. Yeah, dude. But I guess I'm not a big brand fan person. Yeah.
[00:08:06] Kalen: I really haven't been until you're starting, I'm just starting my brand revival. There's a revivals I'm going through right now and that's, but like I got these pit vipers on Amazon. These are the ones I got on Amazon and I think I heard I heard some, somebody say that, or I saw somewhere that there's a lot of knockoffs on Amazon.
[00:08:27] Kalen: And I'm starting to think this might be a knockoff because, oh, this is the one that I got on the website. I, maybe it's just an older version. Maybe it's not a knockoff, maybe it's just a, just like a three year old version or something. I know, but the build, like the build quality, like these were 90 bucks on Amazon.
[00:08:44] Kalen: These were like one 10 or something like that. And the build quality on these suckers is night and day different. Oh, interesting. And and this came with a super nice case and all sorts of stuff, but I had to wait forever for it to ship. Dude, it's all about shipping, like price too, but man, like the shipping thing is massive, man.
[00:09:05] Kalen: It blows my mind that Shopify doesn't, and it's not a Shopify thing. It's like you had said last time, it's. What the merchant is using, are there ways? Are there, yeah, sorry.
[00:09:15] Mark: I'm, it's interesting that everyone now expects things to ship. Like day of I'm, I remember a couple years ago it was normal to have a couple days of handling time, but now, like Amazon has just really re reset our expectations of yeah, why I ordered it today.
[00:09:31] Mark: Like obviously it should ship today. Yeah. And you should have a warehouse within, a day or two of me, so I should get it in two days. That's just, that's like the bar now that Amazon set. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. It's hard though. It's an expensive bar to, to maintain unless you're Amazon, it's still expensive for Amazon.
[00:09:52] Mark: They just have deep pockets.
[00:09:54] Kalen: Yeah. I can't even imagine what it takes to actually deal with all that on the fulfillment side. Yeah. I'm just, as a consumer, I'm just like, yeah, dude. Hey man gimme same day shipping. Why not four to 6:00 PM let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. Just you get so used to things so quickly.
[00:10:13] Kalen: Yeah. But obviously it's a super hard problem solve, I keep thinking about how Shopify handed off the logistics piece, the Flexport and that. As strong as they are as a company and again, I'm coming from being neck deep in Magento for a long time, which I really think didn't always execute.
[00:10:32] Kalen: The greatest. And Shopify that's what they've done. They've executed better. They've but I guess it's those core things that they do well of the the shop, like the core things of the site and checkout and things like that. And then anything outside of the core of the product is like, not necessarily gonna be easy for them to pull off,
[00:10:53] Mark: yeah. Yeah. But I think Amazon has an unfair advantage though, because, oh yeah. The I, this is a paper for I was doing it for my M B A class, but like exploring what Amazon would be if a w s spun off, because Amazon e-commerce like still loses money sometimes in different quarters, but a w s has propped it up for like years and years.
[00:11:19] Mark: So they're able to operate at like razor thin or even like negative margins. And I'm like, that's, that doesn't seem fair to the independent merchants out there that like obviously have to make money on selling stuff. They don't have some sort of cash cow that like can fuel their growth like that.
[00:11:38] Kalen: Yeah. That's so true, man. And it's the nature of the beast in business in general. The one first to market just tends to get these menacingly unfair advantages. Yeah. Yeah, I mean everything from the talent they can afford, the salaries they pay is completely outta control.
[00:11:55] Kalen: I sat down, I was this bar in my town. I sat down this one night. And there was this dude sitting next to me and he was a bit, a bit younger than me, like a little bit cocky I guess. And and I usually don't bring up work. I try to like, just not talk about work.
[00:12:11] Kalen: If it's, if you're trying to relax, say, so we do it for work. I'm like, oh, I work for this tech company. Oh, which one? Which one? I was like, oh, it's a small one. You probably haven't heard of it. He's try me. And I'm like, it's called Shop Padd. And he's oh, okay. I'm like, we work with Shopify.
[00:12:28] Kalen: You heard of Shopify? Of course. He's he's I don't remember how he said it. He's you know where I work? Something like that. Oh. And then he's Amazon, and then he was like he was doing well in his career. He is biz dev manager type of deal.
[00:12:41] Kalen: And then he's and we were talking, we were having a good chat. He's dude, I could get you a job tomorrow. And I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, no, I think I'm happy where I'm at. And he's dude, like seriously, like we pay a lot. And I was like, no I know.
[00:12:55] Kalen: It's just, it's not all about money, that it was such a funny, it's such a
[00:13:00] Mark: funny conversation all about money, money helps sometimes It does help.
[00:13:06] Kalen: Makes it a little better. It does. It does help from time to time. I have a lot more cool mugs if I could if I could afford it. I actually talked to this guy today, dude, who is building an app.
[00:13:17] Kalen: And I was like, man, I just was like, man, I would invest if I had the money because. He seems like a smart dude and seems like a cool, interesting idea. But yeah, it's just, that's just one of those things you like to say, it's like a, oh, I'd totally invest in this, but yeah.
[00:13:36] Mark: Honestly, yeah, you wanna say that after they've already become successful, it's oh, like I should have invested, if you actually invest and it goes nowhere, which, 90% of the time that's where it goes. You're like, ah, I shouldn't have invested, hindsight is way more than 2020.
[00:13:53] Mark: It's 20 15, 20 10. Yeah.
[00:13:56] Kalen: Yeah. But but yeah. What were we saying? The, on the brands? Oh yeah. It's a buying brand on Amazon. But yeah, man, if they could fix the shipping, dude, just imagine if every single Shopify site had the same. Type of shipping as Amazon, like the same types of options.
[00:14:13] Kalen: That would be such a game changer. I feel like you
[00:14:15] Mark: raise an interesting thing I'm not sure if you're, you've heard of Buy With Prime on Shopify. Oh it's a little controversial actually. Yes, because I think Shopify said, technically this is a violation of our terms of service.
[00:14:29] Mark: 'cause because you're not using the Shopify checkout. And it's not an official app, it's just like a script that you have to manually install. But it is that concept of you browse on the Shopify store and then when you check out you are redirected to like a custom Amazon checkout and Right.
[00:14:48] Mark: Amazon, you have to use Amazon fulfillment and they're fulfilling it. You basically get that experience. Maybe I feel like more people should do that.
[00:14:56] Kalen: Maybe. Maybe. It's a controversial I, but it just, I can't escape the feeling that it's somehow is not gonna end well for 'cause I really do believe that Shopify has a very fundamentally different mission.
[00:15:09] Kalen: I really, I've really drank the Kool-Aid. I really believe there, we care about empowering entrepreneur, like you own your own distribution, you own your relationship with your customers with Shopify, as far as I understand, with Amazon, you absolutely do not. They don't like, I don't know if that's still the case, but you don't.
[00:15:25] Kalen: You don't get any customer information when you sell on Amazon. That's probably different with buy with Prime.
[00:15:32] Mark: Yeah. Probably. Do you get more customer information? Gotcha. It's like a hybrid of if you're selling on directly on Amazon, okay. But then you still know that Amazon has your data and Right.
[00:15:46] Mark: One of the scary things about selling on Amazon is if you do too good, Amazon's just gonna rip you off and do an Amazon's basics. Totally. See
[00:15:55] Kalen: to deal with the devil. And Shopify has shop, has Shopify ever done that?
[00:15:58] Mark: Harley makes some tea, like fire teas. I think he ripped me off.
[00:16:03] Mark: Nice. I always thought about having a tea brand and Harley took my idea.
[00:16:08] Kalen: They, they do cannibalize the app ecosystem, but I think that's pretty much inevitable, right? Yeah. Yeah. But it just feels like it's a fundamentally completely different. Beast for the, from the merchant's perspective.
[00:16:22] Kalen: Yeah. And you could say, I just drank the Kool-Aid or whatever, but I think I think it just is, it's a, there, there are different model,
[00:16:30] Mark: so it's a different philosophy, but different philosophy. Yeah. Yeah. They are trying to do a little more of the marketplace thing.
[00:16:38] Mark: If you've checked out the shop app recently, there's more, right? Like cross-selling and that kind of stuff in the shop app. And then we talked about the collective stuff last time, where you can sell other people's products on your store. So I do think that they, I don't think they want to be an Amazon, but there is some like, movement in uniting their sellers to Right.
[00:17:02] Mark: Make them more powerful together,
[00:17:04] Kalen: that's a good point. Yeah that's adjacent, I think. But it's not like they're ever gonna, be like, oh, these dad gang hats are doing well, let's do a private, let's do a white label version of them for 20 bucks.
[00:17:16] Kalen: Yeah. Yeah. But whereas that probably would happen on
[00:17:20] Mark: Amazon. Yeah. Amazon didn't do that for the longest time, like decades and decades. And then just one day they. Decided up and decided, Hey, we're gonna make our own generics. And it was jarring. But now I think it's, people just expect it.
[00:17:35] Mark: It's okay. Yeah, that's inevitable. If we do too well, like there's gonna be an Amazon basics of something basic, think generic. Yeah, it's like generic. Yeah.
[00:17:44] Kalen: Yeah. And it's I don't know. On the one hand, I think there's obviously value in like Bezos mission of driving prices to, to as low as humanly possible.
[00:17:54] Kalen: And that probably helps ev lift all boats. It tide lift all boats in a certain sense. Yeah. But I don't know, man. It's also. There's also something drive all boats
[00:18:07] Mark: down.
[00:18:08] Kalen: Yeah. There's like a slippery slope going on there somehow. Yeah. But
[00:18:14] Mark: it's a little like Walmart. When Walmart comes into cities, it drives out a lot of the small mom brick and mortar.
[00:18:21] Kalen: Yes. Yeah,
[00:18:22] Mark: exactly. Dude. It's an online version of that.
[00:18:25] Kalen: Yeah. Whereas like I feel like Shopify is really empowering the smaller guys, I think keep thinking about that, that promo video, Toby, that, the couple that just sold their first thing and then I heard people on Twitter say man, like that.
[00:18:38] Kalen: And I didn't even know about the Chaching sound 'cause I, I guess it's in, it's a sound in the app or I don't even, I don't even have that, I've never actually sold anything like, as a merchant shop. You gotta start a store man. Yeah. Hey, we have to start a store. Okay. We have to start a damn store.
[00:18:53] Kalen: Let's do a mer store. Hell yeah, let's do a merch store.
[00:18:56] Mark: Okay. I know Shopify, Shopify. You can automate it.
[00:19:00] Kalen: Plug in Mesa. Maybe you
[00:19:02] Mark: can get us a coupon. Maybe we can splurge towards subscription and Mesa.
[00:19:06] Kalen: Yes. We'll splurge pay full price.
[00:19:09] Mark: You gotta make some logs, some t-shirts. Yeah. Yeah. Hell
[00:19:13] Kalen: yeah. But but yeah, dude so I liked this idea we had, I don't know if you wanna do screen share or I could do the screen share again. I think
[00:19:20] Mark: you're better at doing the screen share some follow up from last episode of arguments. Yes, discussions on the Twitter discussions.
[00:19:29] Kalen: Oh, by the way, yes. I, you know what I'm calling it Twitter, I can't call it. It's like, when I see it visually, I see it as an X, but when I say it, I still say it as Twitter. I can't just call it x, I'm not calling them posts. Maybe eventually that'll change. Like I'm on board with the rebrand. I'm totally on board.
[00:19:50] Kalen: It's just that, oh, it's gonna take me like a year to make this transition. I'm not gonna rush into this transition. Yeah,
[00:19:57] Mark: I'm fine with the I'll rebrand, but I'm, I don't think that X is like the best like logo or the best brand. It's just, it's insane. Elon Musk has always had it in the back burner and he's okay, like I acquired this thing for $40 billion.
[00:20:12] Mark: Maybe I'll just merge it with this other thing I envisioned. So I don't think it's well thought out. It's just his thing,
[00:20:19] Kalen: yeah. Yeah. I probably should Don't wanna ar argue too much. I know we have, yeah. We both have strong feelings about Mr. Muffs.
[00:20:26] Mark: We both have Teslas, so I think it's, but you started
[00:20:30] Kalen: Hey, you started it at some point there.
[00:20:32] Kalen: You turned on him. Dude, you like hate us. Gods dude. You gotta test way before You had two Teslas way before I did.
[00:20:41] Mark: Yeah. And then I let him on fire when he purchased Twitter.
[00:20:44] Kalen: I actually just got, we're just getting my wife one finally, dude. Nice. We just, yeah, dude, we're, it's, she's gonna pick it up. We're picking it up I think on the 15th. I gotta make the payment today. Congrats. I told my wife, I was like I was like, oh, I'm doing a podcast, and then we'll do the payment at four 30 and she's I have to leave then.
[00:21:03] Kalen: So if it all falls through, it's not that it's your fault don't feel guilty or anything like that. I
[00:21:08] Mark: distracted you. Maybe you can make the payment on the podcast. Buy a Tesla. Tesla live stream. Buying a Tesla. I'm so nervous about it because, like Aller over here
[00:21:17] Kalen: because I hate making wire payments.
[00:21:20] Kalen: 'cause if you get their number wrong, your money just disappears. But it's not a wire payment, it's linked to your account. In the app. So I think it's fine, but I'm so used to, anytime I do anything that's a wire ish type of a thing I do one payment for a hundred dollars. I wait to make sure that they got it and then I do the rest, because it's freaking nerve wracking.
[00:21:44] Mark: But it's better than Bitcoin though. Like Bitcoin you mess it up and there's literally no recourse. Wires technically can be reversed and you can, I don't know. There's ways to stop it. Bitcoin is once you transmit it, it's it's out there, it's gone. I've lost some Bitcoin.
[00:22:00] Mark: Have you?
[00:22:01] Kalen: Yeah. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about how much are we talking
[00:22:04] Mark: about Ethereum? It was like two k I think I tried to send some Ethereum and it was like Ethereum Classic versus not Ethereum Classic. And I was like, what? There's a difference. Yeah. I've. I'm glad that we've upgraded our infrastructure to wire payments from that Ethereum crap.
[00:22:22] Mark: Yeah, dude. Remember crypto? That was a thing. Ugh. Yeah,
[00:22:28] Kalen: I was, so I got real heavy into a Bitcoin phase and then I was like, I changed my whole Twitter persona. I was like following it. It's a fascinating subculture. Like I have a friend that's into uranium investing. Oh, wow. And which sounded insane to me at first, but it's a similar type of subculture.
[00:22:48] Kalen: Like it's a very kind of like trolley, like they use the word toxic in a tongue in cheek way. Like that they're to like, to, like in Bitcoin it was a toxic Bitcoin maximalist. And it's this funny MeMed out to the max like subculture. Yeah. Which is fascinating. It's it's neat.
[00:23:08] Kalen: But, and then when you're in the midst of that, you believe all the, all the hype and stuff like that. And then once you let go of that a little bit, you admit to yourself that you're like, look, I put a couple bucks in. I want it to go up. I do care about some of the underlying principles, but I'm insanely biased that I want it to go up and I'm really not objective at all.
[00:23:30] Mark: So I'm invested. Obviously I have a conflict of interest here.
[00:23:35] Kalen: Yeah, exactly. But. Yeah, dude. So we were gonna talk about that. We were gonna do a very gentle loving roast of the dad gang site slash a a. What's the opposite of a roast? A non, an roast of the pit bite Highlighting high ification.
[00:23:54] Kalen: Yeah. This lady kiss me every time. Kiss hits me every single time,
[00:24:00] Mark: dude. So good.
[00:24:03] Kalen: So we were we, I don't know how it came up on Twitter, but, oh.
[00:24:08] Mark: Did okay. I you yeah, that's right. Yeah. I saw the DA gang person like posted that they're doing like 10 K in sale a day or something, which is Yes.
[00:24:17] Mark: Yeah. Amazing.
[00:24:18] Kalen: Good for them. It's insane. It's super cool. Bart. Oh, dang it, man. Stupid. I unfollowed everybody just try to pull like a Twitter power move and it's like messing all my searches up and everything.
[00:24:31] Mark: You can follow some people, you can follow
[00:24:33] Kalen: bar. I know. Yeah. I can't do it, man.
[00:24:37] Kalen: I gotta, I'm, do I have this mission now? This is my fault. Anyways. It's weird man. It's really weird. Yeah. But it's not, but I'm usings.
[00:24:45] Mark: Oh, everything. You're like, I'm using meta following people. Yes. Without following that.
[00:24:51] Kalen: Yeah. Dude list, that's a thing.
[00:24:53] Kalen: But yeah, dude it's but so yeah, so I've been falling bar, he's super chill. Like he's he's interesting to follow and he talks about stuff that they're doing, like just ordered 40,000 hats. That's so crazy. And he'll post at, different things he's doing. It's just fascinating to follow the journey.
[00:25:12] Kalen: Yeah. And oh yeah, I think this is me. But and I finally picked up a couple of the hats. I've been following him for six months since I got into Shopify, Shopify with the new gig. And I finally went ahead and bought it. 'cause again, dude I'm not the type of person that would normally buy, you 95 days for it to ship type of thing.
[00:25:34] Kalen: But I really like the brand. Like I just like it. Like just something about it just clicks for me, I think is freaking sweet. And but anyway, so we were gonna get do a little, because you had said that the site is like super, like basic, right? Like as far as the theme and everything, right?
[00:25:52] Mark: He highlighted that too.
[00:25:54] Mark: He was like, we've done 10 K with a basic Shopify theme. We can do it. Anyone can do it. And the interesting question is is the site. Selling like because it's so basic, or is it selling well in spite of it, like if it was, if it was better designed, would it sell better or would it just be a wash? You don't actually know.
[00:26:15] Kalen: Yeah, totally. And it's weird yeah so now that I'm actually like in, because I've been a developer forever and so I look at a site and I'm thinking about developing, develop things or to the extent that I have any design sense, I'm thinking about design stuff.
[00:26:32] Kalen: But now when I see these things, all I care about are the hats. I don't care. I could care less like how, I was looking for a black hat and I was like, oh, sweet. Perfect. And I think I remember another tweet that he had posted where he said that he was he had posted something really interesting where I think that there was a A problem with an S M Ss blast or something to that effect.
[00:26:58] Kalen: And you would think that if you're doing like a marketing blast and you mess it up, like that's the worst mistake ever type of thing. But I think what he said was that people just ended up like figuring out how to buy stuff still. And it, and so it ended up, it ended up being like a non, here we go.
[00:27:21] Kalen: Yeah. Setting an ss m s campaign and the link didn't work. Led people to an error page. We should panic and run around stress, right? Nope. Customers still went to the site typing it in on their own and sales came flooding in. Simple life, simple biz. And so I get that right? 'cause once I was ready to buy the damn hat, I was like, I wouldn't care if I went to a broken link, I'd be like, dude, I need to buy one of these hats, dude.
[00:27:44] Kalen: Like now I'm looking at this one, I'm like, I need a damn turquoise hat too. But but at the same time, like the pit viper hat, which by the way, this popup is the, some good dude. So good. Tur zero hot. But there's I kept wanting to screenshot this, but I kept closing the popup.
[00:28:05] Mark: Yeah. It's so good.
[00:28:06] Mark: I got an email from them the other day of the email writer. It's so basic. And he is actually I'm trying to hire or email writer it. Their copywriter is hilarious. It's hysterical. It reminds me of one of my clients sheets and giggles they have. Okay. Just a hilarious voice, with a name like Sheets and Giggles.
[00:28:25] Mark: Oh yeah. They like really play it up.
[00:28:28] Kalen: That's awesome. Yeah, dude. So so on the one hand I totally agree with him and I totally get his perspective, which is like, dude, we're selling probably more than we can even handle as is. And you really do realize that the product itself is the product.
[00:28:43] Kalen: Like these hats, dude. 'cause I've bought like eight different hats. Like it's just sturdy dude. It's sturdy. It's just the right size. Like the embroidery is just on point. It's just great man. 'cause I've literally bought like eight hats in the last, I've gotten into this weird hat phase. And so the product that itself a hat.
[00:29:05] Kalen: Show and title. Show and title. So like they're focused, I'm sure on the product itself and everything. And from one point of view, they don't need to do anything with the site. They can leave it like this forever at the same time. Even as much as I'm a gigantic fan of the brand, I would love to see some super cool super unique vo look at these shits, dude.
[00:29:33] Kalen: Oh my God. Some super unique voice. Voice, yeah. And style. Maybe even some wild headless thing like the Drake related dude. It would just be fun, and I'm sure it would lead to more sales one way or another. There's no way that this cool ass site does not somehow lead to more sales, it's just too good.
[00:29:55] Mark: It makes people like know that you care about your product and that you're legit. I think, dad gang and a lot of like social media influence brands, they do most of the selling off the site. They, on Instagram, you see the posts and everything and you're sold before you hit the site, basically.
[00:30:12] Mark: And the site is basically a checkout for you. But it doesn't mean that people don't arrive at your site that didn't get sold on the Instagram. And they're like, Hey, like what is this? Is this legit? They don't even have a real homepage. There's no right banner. Like I'm expecting.
[00:30:29] Mark: There's no story, honestly. You have to have been sold on the product, been sold on the story before you come to the site. Otherwise, It's just a hat site that you, if coming from the outside I would land on it and I wouldn't know if I'm gonna get my product or not, because it looks like like a drop shipper. And someone, even in the thread, it was like, oh, that's great. You're doing drop shipping. And they're like, no, we're not doing drop shipping. But the way that they like positioned themselves from a branding perspective doesn't make them seem super legit in terms of we've put a lot of thought into the site, it's just the site was more of an afterthought and we just needed a checkout.
[00:31:11] Kalen: Yeah. I think it's objectively true to say that it would be a good thing. Now wh when the timing is for that, who knows? But to do a better version of the site, like I. Even if for no other reason than 'cause it would be cool 'cause it would be fun, 'cause it would demonstrate like how much, they care about the whole product, the whole experience, all that kind of thing.
[00:31:33] Kalen: But I pulled up the Instagram, it's crazy too 'cause he'll post that like some professional athlete will be wearing, the hat. And I'm thinking to myself, dude, can you imagine just launching some kind of a product and all of a sudden a professional athlete is rocking that thing. That's pretty nuts, dude.
[00:31:51] Kalen: But yeah, like I think it would be dope if they did, I had this crazy thought I was gonna tweet. I think somebody should like, put together a concept for some crazy ass headless version of the site and just mock it up somehow. And not like headless in the sense of like entire thing.
[00:32:11] Kalen: Headless. Like maybe I really like the Drake related thing, where like you have some super fun like homepage and then from then you just kick out to regular native product pages with a decent like, yeah, these don't even have a decent theme dude. These are just like super bare minimum,
[00:32:30] Mark: I think Drake related can get away with their weird ass format in ux.
[00:32:35] Mark: Sorry, can edit
[00:32:37] Kalen: that out? No, that was perfect. That was perfect.
[00:32:41] Mark: Like it's not good ux. It's cool looking, but they can get away with it 'cause it's $400 socks. So if you're gonna buy $400 socks, you're not gonna be turned off by like the theme. But it is, I don't think that gang I'm not sure if they should go that direction.
[00:32:56] Mark: I think they should have a good experience. Maybe pit fight for direction.
[00:33:01] Kalen: Yeah. Exactly, dude. Yeah, the whole, this whole window. So their thing is very much nineties. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes sense and that makes sense. That's why it connects with me. Like all this windows stuff like just is exactly what I wanna be.
[00:33:16] Kalen: Yeah, dude, like I think if I think somebody should put together a concept, spend an hour, three hours, whatever, a designer, and just do it for free and send it to him. And if it was fucking killer that maybe he'd pull the trigger on it, that's my, that's what I like, would like to see because and obviously like everybody has their incentives.
[00:33:41] Kalen: My incentive is I need to get people to use Mesa, like agencies. Are interested in getting site builds and stuff. And but but what I like about you is that you like, you don't bullshit. Like when you have an idea it's 'cause it's a genuine idea. Even though you are an agency and you are looking for site builds, I'm sure, but You're totally right.
[00:34:03] Kalen: Like you're totally right that it would be a good thing. I'm sure they can afford it now to do like a killer site. Like why not? Yeah. Might as might as well.
[00:34:11] Mark: But it's an investment and once you're at, a particular rate of sales, if you see your conversion rate go up by 20 30%, like it easily pays for the investment of doing a site rebuild.
[00:34:26] Mark: The question is it, does it increase the, conversion rate? I, my theory is that like a good design, it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be Drake related level, but just a decent design would increase their conversion rate. Because it would build that trust in the brand of, hey, even if I came from other, whatever site, I didn't know much about Dag Gang, I could learn about D Gang on the site right now. You have to know what Dag Gang is before. Totally. To get there.
[00:34:58] Kalen: It's just a I think it would be, yeah, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be cool to see somehow all of the athletes like that, like on their Instagram oh, I'm in the wrong window.
[00:35:10] Kalen: Oh, yeah. All of the where's this thing here? Yeah. All of these, somehow, if you could I'm imagining a site with all these athletes, like highlighted like full screen, full bleed, with the hat like highlighted and I'm still going back to a headless. I like, I.
[00:35:25] Kalen: I like some, I like this. Some kind of a headless concept, dude, where it shuffles full bleed through like athletes with the hat on and then you could click on the hat from there or something like that. And then
[00:35:38] Mark: like I would not recommend making it harder to shop on the site. Like I don't think that's gonna increase the conversion rate.
[00:35:45] Mark: That's gonna maybe we, maybe Caly and I like we can do two different designs and they can and test it. Yes. And they can see which one sell sells.
[00:35:55] Kalen: Yes. We'll figure it out dude. We will. We'll have a put us in, coach a she'll figure this out. Dude, look at this man. Dude's riding a horse through the ocean.
[00:36:06] Kalen: Dude. Dude, that is nuts. Imagine that dude just full bleed on the site, man. With that. Yeah. Clickable.
[00:36:15] Mark: Yeah. Their content is so good on Instagram. Yeah. And they Yeah, exactly. Pulling it over onto a site, they have that. Honestly, that's the hardest part U usually with new brands, especially getting good content to put on it.
[00:36:30] Mark: But they have all that already. It's yeah,
[00:36:33] Kalen: exactly. Exactly. They have that piece of the puzzle. And if they don't wanna accelerate their growth rate in this area they don't need to. Obviously they don't need to, but it just, it would be dope dude, if they had a super fucking cool site and but again, just to reiterate, the fact that they don't need that is pretty awesome. I've been a developer my whole life, so I'm always thinking about what can I develop, what can be developed as far as websites, generally speaking, web applications. And the fact that somebody doesn't need that, they can figure out a cool IG content angle, throw up a Shopify site.
[00:37:08] Kalen: Throw up some product shots and they're off to the races. Is that's amazing. That's super, super cool. Another guy like along
[00:37:17] Mark: on Twitter think is one of the, I was gonna say, oh, sorry, go ahead. That's one of the great things about Shopify is that you can start so small, you can start basic and you can get really far, you can probably get to a couple million dollars in sales and then if, when you want to go to the next level or whatever, you don't have to re-platform.
[00:37:36] Mark: You can keep scaling on Shopify, you can get redesign, you can do more custom stuff, and you don't have to, go to Salesforce Commerce Cloud Totally.
[00:37:46] Kalen: Or Magento. Absolutely. Absolutely. Another side of lack, I've been following the the founder dude on Twitter is this one. They have a bit carnivore snacks.
[00:37:55] Kalen: They're like meat. They're basic, I think it's basic and beef jerky type stuff. But they they have a, they have a more of a unique design to it. I'm think, trying to think out loud of like good exam, like good references, like what would be a good reference for the dad gang thing.
[00:38:11] Kalen: But yeah, as a guy that loves beef jerky, dude. Like this type of a product, this type of a shot here is just like speaking right to my heart, dude, grab some of that. Go to town on it,
[00:38:23] Mark: Great visualization. Yeah.
[00:38:26] Kalen: Makes me, but do you have any other reference, any reference sites that you think would be like a similar, in a similar vein?
[00:38:32] Mark: Gang
[00:38:33] Kalen: for dad. Gang. Yeah.
[00:38:34] Kalen: Don't say
[00:38:35] Mark: sheets and gigs. The thing is,
[00:38:37] Mark: Every time I say that the interesting thing is because there's such a, like a influencer backed brand right now, they don't have a brand except like their logo. Like I do think that they need a bit more of a brand guide to help them figure out their voice because they have an Instagram and they sell products, but they don't have a definitive branding voice yet.
[00:39:03] Mark: And even, I don't know, I don't even know if they have a color scheme.
[00:39:06] Kalen: That's true. So much to be done. I'm pulling up Jim Shark. Yeah. Not sure. Kinda
[00:39:13] Mark: interesting. We have, speaking of gr gym, sharp cross rope's, a pretty cool brand cross
[00:39:20] Kalen: rope. I've never heard of that before.
[00:39:22] Kalen: Yeah. The best way to jump rope experience. Oh dude. What about cross? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
[00:39:29] Mark: Dang. That's pretty cool. $60 off.
[00:39:32] Kalen: Nice.
[00:39:34] Mark: Yeah, this is, this kind of thing that was like, you could put the, photos at the banner and then have the Instagram kind of below it too, and just I know.
[00:39:45] Mark: Take all that content that they already have and just Yeah. Reformat it into a website. Yeah. It's, yeah. Basic.
[00:39:52] Kalen: Yeah. Yeah. In a way it is. What do you think it would cost to do something? What would you recommend cost-wise? Would you say, Hey, put 50 grand into this, put 20, put $10 million.
[00:40:05] Kalen: Like what do you think would be
[00:40:07] Mark: the right amount? So there's first Bill, I would say 20 K. Yeah, they don't need a fully custom site. They don't need a headless site. Definitely don't go headless, please. Re it's gonna make more work for them. Sure. They just need yeah, they just need a little story, like a homepage and an about page that has a little more about the brand if theoretically, if you went to the website and you didn't know anything about them, you need to, you didn't, you need to be able to be like, sold on the brand.
[00:40:41] Mark: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cross net. I think he's in Miami. Cross net is
[00:40:45] Kalen: cross. Oh, is he? Oh, is he Miami? Nice dude. He's a great Twitter follow.
[00:40:50] Kalen: Him and his brother, it's two brothers, right? That I think
[00:40:53] Mark: so. I think so. I think it's Greg
[00:40:56] Kalen: and Chris or something like that. They're pretty cool, man. But think so. Yeah. Yeah. Look at, just like you just said over repurposing the content, man. These are basically reels. And this looks great, dude.
[00:41:08] Kalen: Just side by side, like that I looks great. I agree. It's not even that complicated to just, Selma. Yeah. To just kick it up a notch. I think the world needs it. The dads of the world need it. And we're, this is our live pitch. This is our live pitch to to Bart to kick it up a notch.
[00:41:27] Kalen: But even if he chooses not to, I'm gonna buy. Yeah.
[00:41:31] Mark: Yeah. I was gonna say, sometimes I get these random LinkedIn messages and it's someone's like holding up a, like a piece of paper and it's yeah, Calico, you need a new website. It's what? Oh, really? I've never seen those before. Yeah, we recorded a podcast for them.
[00:41:47] Mark: Oh yeah. I get that. Sometimes it's like you put a little effort into it, but it's still copy and pasted video's. Pretty low effort. Yeah. But we recorded a whole podcast for them, like they just special podcast, dude.
[00:41:57] Kalen: Yeah, dude, it's, this would be pretty dope. We should pull up, I was thinking that we should, we need to have a segment where you talk about some of your stuff you've been working on, and then I can talk about some of my stuff.
[00:42:10] Kalen: A little self promo, little bit of self promo is always important. Okay. So I'm just pulling up your site. Maybe there's, What's the most recent couple? Oh, I remember looking at the Mini Dreamers. What's the most recent couple sites that you guys have designed that you like a lot?
[00:42:27] Mark: Oh, there's this explore Cold Brew. I really like that one. That sounds, I don't think it's on the site, so you just have to Google it. Yeah. So the, that sounds cool. The founder is, he's like a mountaineer half the time during the build. He was like in Antarctica doing a hike. But I think the site turned out really well.
[00:42:48] Mark: Nice. He's a cool, he's a very cool dude. He was on some reality television show due to doing the hike. That's, I think this is a good example too, where they had like a logo before and they had products but it wasn't telling the story of the site. What are you doing with the cookies?
[00:43:06] Kalen: No, it's because I closed out the little the little 10% off widget. The popup. Yeah. And I wanted to want 10% off. Wanted to click on it. And s Yeah. I wanted to see what it was gonna look like. Look beautiful. That's so funny, dude. He was just out in the mountains. That's the type of dude I want to be, man.
[00:43:22] Kalen: Yeah. Once I like get my ducks in a row, man, I want to get off of Twitter. Just be playing pickleball all, all over the world, all day long. Check Twitter once a week and just live the dream, but that's the life. That's the life dude dream. But this is, dude, this
[00:43:39] Mark: is, Yeah. And this is like a Shopify theme, but we always build upon an existing theme.
[00:43:46] Mark: So we get a lot of the building blocks of the theme, and then you put the branding, put the colors in, and you just I keep on saying it's telling a story of the brand. So that what, by the time you get to the checkout, you know what they're about, like you believe in it. Yeah, dude,
[00:44:03] Kalen: Like it's me. Yeah. Dude, it's occurring to me that they don't even have lifestyle shots. Lifestyle, is that what they're called? Product like lifestyle. You know how there's lifestyle? Yeah. Like they're just all pure regular shots of the hats. But dude, I need to see a shot of an athlete wearing one of these hats, wearing it full bleed on a headless page. Like drink related dude. Yes.
[00:44:32] Mark: They, the athlete needs to walk across the page. Yes. And pose with a hat on.
[00:44:37] Kalen: Yes. Dude. Here's what I want. Here's what I wanna see. I wanna see the guy on the horse. All right.
[00:44:43] Kalen: Here's what I wanna see. I wanna see the guy on the horse going through a river, like full bleed across the screen. Just walk, just walking, riding the horse across the screen, dude. Like an intro.
[00:44:59] Mark: This one, it needs to be like Old Spice style. Yeah. Like Old Spice style. That gang, like it's, we should also create an advertising agency to, to make that happen.
[00:45:09] Mark: That's true.
[00:45:10] Kalen: Yes, David, this is the pitch. Oh yeah. This is the pitch. But but yeah, dude, this is cool. So they do coffee and stuff. Yeah. Elixirs. What's an elixir? I always wonder.
[00:45:22] Mark: Basically just a, it's usually like a constant, very concentrated version of something, essential oils. You have to super dilute it, otherwise it's usually a little too strong.
[00:45:32] Kalen: And does the client do the product shots and stuff like that? They supply all the, all your product
[00:45:37] Mark: shots, you probably don't. Yeah, usually. Nice. Usually clients, have their own products and they do the product shots.
[00:45:45] Mark: Nice. Seems like Jagging has their product shots. And then they have all the lifestyle image imagery on the Instagram already yeah. Like
[00:45:55] Kalen: at a bare minimum, just throw some of these lifestyle shots onto the product pages like that would take. I'll do that for, literally add me to your Shopify account.
[00:46:05] Kalen: I'll do that for you. Just because Yeah. Their lifestyle shots are so cool, dude. Look at this man. Great. Yeah. I love it, dude. I love the whole mission. I feel like dads are, it's hard to be a parent. It's hard to be, it's hard to be a dad or a mom, but I'm a dad, so I'm more thinking about that side of things and, it's like it's tough dude to do a good job of it.
[00:46:30] Kalen: A lot of people are checked out. A lot of people are, I used to be staring at my phone all day at the dinner table, like just completely absorbed in it. And I think back to that time in my life, and I'm like, I cringe. It makes me cringe that I was doing that, and now I'm more, I'm more active with my kids and stuff and whatever, but
[00:46:50] Mark: Dude, the dog has
[00:46:51] Kalen: a hat.
[00:46:51] Kalen: Great message. Come on. Yeah, dude, I'm trying to give an inspirational message. My dad. It's, but nice man. I dig it. I dig it. What can I say? What can I say on
[00:47:03] Mark: any cool Mesa stuff? I feel like, no, let me think. Now this is your opportunity to demo to me because I just pawn you your demos off on like John or, one of my teams.
[00:47:14] Mark: Nice. So this is totally,
[00:47:16] Kalen: yeah, this is my chance. This is my check. The tricky thing is I'm excited. We really, we, these are our latest connectors. Actually I used to spend every morning I would think through use cases and then I've been doing a little bit different stuff on the podcast clips and things like that, which has been cool.
[00:47:35] Kalen: But so my head isn't quite as much in the weeds as it has been. Oh, we recently did a time, we added time travel support for infinite options as well as another thing which time travel is just the ability to do retroactive workflow runs. You can run, something against, so infinite options is a pretty Is another app that shop Padd, the parent company built I'm guessing, I think it's probably our biggest our biggest app and as by, oh, I didn't realize that installations.
[00:48:07] Kalen: Yeah it's like pretty massive, like it has a, like crap ton thousand reviews and stuff. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. But but yeah, it's like at that sort of lower price point and but so we did not have support for time travel on this. So I think it basically allows you to add options to products type of deal.
[00:48:27] Kalen: Haven't actually used M S L personally, but but yeah, it's pretty, pretty popular. And so we added time travel support for this so that if you wanted to run retroactive flow against, a hundred million products and you needed to hook into that infinite options, you can do that now. So that's cool.
[00:48:44] Kalen: I think the Shopify time travel, which we have supported products I think collections. Orders. The real base, the real core entities is pretty cool if you're looking to do that. I've had multiple plus merchants that were trying to do something on flow and it would you'd hit like some snags when you try to run it on large numbers of orders.
[00:49:06] Kalen: So I think that's a cool use case there. Like we do a lot of tagging, so somebody wants to run process a hundred thousand orders and if the order has tag X, they want to tag the customer with the same X which I assume they wanna do that because that feeds into some other, maybe into the marketing automation they're doing something like that.
[00:49:27] Kalen: So there's a lot of those workflows that are pretty, pretty straightforward, but just being able to do it easily and reliably and with the support team,
[00:49:36] Mark: I didn't realize that. Shop Padd had so many apps and it's cool, it's like its own little mini ecosystem of Yeah. Of apps that, work together, but I assume better than external apps.
[00:49:49] Kalen: Yeah, dude, it's I think they're pretty solid. I'm personally I'm mostly just only looking at Mesa, but I'll see things come through Yeah. Related to tractor input options and things like that. I haven't heard too much about the others, but,
[00:50:04] Mark: They're better reviewed than most of the Shopify like native.
[00:50:08] Mark: Apps. I was just looking at the shop page. Shop Padd. I think we talked about that like couple episodes ago. Like all the first party apps always have terrible reviews.
[00:50:17] Kalen: Oh dude. Yeah. Like horrendous. What was it? Collapse or Collective? Terrible was
[00:50:23] Mark: like
[00:50:24] Kalen: collective, yeah. 3.2 stars or something like that.
[00:50:28] Mark: Shopify flows 3.3 stars. Yeah, bundles. Wonder what subscriptions is gonna have.
[00:50:36] Kalen: Yeah,
[00:50:36] Mark: it's just like you would think that Shopify could fix their own reviews. They just remove the bad ones, they're Shopify,
[00:50:42] Kalen: right? It's, yeah. And it's, it actually is good the fact that they don't do that.
[00:50:46] Kalen: 'cause they definitely probably could just rebut remove the reviews. But I think it, a lot of it boils down to the fact that there's no support if I'm understanding correctly, like you can't get any support, just the standard support channels. But
[00:51:00] Mark: yeah I think that since there's no additional revenue for them to be made in the app they've not really created the support infrastructure that they need to make the apps like, I don't know, easy to use.
[00:51:15] Kalen: And I think the strategy makes sense. Honestly, the more I think about it, I think it makes perfect sense. Is it weird that bundles has a 2.3 stars? Yeah. It's weird, but it makes sense that they're gonna build out these things that are outside of the core. They're gonna do 'em as separate apps.
[00:51:31] Kalen: So they're dogfooding their own APIs. They're not supporting them the way that a third, the way that a 20 person company like my company, would be able to support them. And so in a way it creates opportunity for the ecosystem. It also sets a direction for the ecosystem.
[00:51:46] Kalen: So I think it all just makes perfect sense in a weird kind of way. That's what
[00:51:52] Mark: you know. Toby was saying that about the subscriptions, it, they're just setting a floor of like capabilities right? And Right. And then they're, relying on the external app developers to, to expand on that, but they wanted to have, some basics without having to pay a 1% fee or something like that. That makes sense. It would be interesting to see, if it does cannibalize the ecosystem or is it's good. Maybe that 1% isn't worth it. Or a merchant that's not doing many orders. Maybe they're a drive on that app developer, they just send so many support questions that it's not really worth it to support 'em.
[00:52:32] Kalen: By the way, how do you use the Shopify collective? I can't seem to find the the
[00:52:38] Mark: app. It's not in the app store. It's okay. It has its own page. It's like Gotcha. Collect shopify.com/collective.
[00:52:49] Kalen: Oh, okay. Gotcha.
[00:52:51] Kalen: I'm super
[00:52:52] Mark: interested in, alright. And then they slash retailer,
[00:52:54] Kalen: Always terrified our browser, auto complete. Oh, we only have a couple minutes left.
[00:52:59] Mark: Yeah, I know. We've already done an hour and five minutes. I know, dude, it's great. That, that pitch took a lot of time.
[00:53:07] Kalen: We put our blood, sweat and tea. We put our heart on the line there, man.
[00:53:12] Kalen: Oh, Bart does the right thing. Put our damn heart on the. Christ sake. Bus.
[00:53:17] Mark: You pitched headless? I pitched not headless. So we'll see which one wins out
[00:53:22] Kalen: made it best, man. Win. Yeah,
[00:53:24] Mark: maybe if they pick headless you have to code it. I'm not gonna code
[00:53:28] Kalen: that. Good luck. This React
[00:53:31] Mark: Ks, I don't know.
[00:53:32] Mark: Yeah, I bet I could. Yeah, you do coding. I could
[00:53:36] Kalen: sniff somebody out. I've heard.
[00:53:38] Mark: But,
[00:53:38] Mark: but
[00:53:39] Kalen: Maybe we'll do the AI thing next week. Maybe we'll talk more about that next week. Yeah. Unless you wanna Yeah.
[00:53:44] Mark: Yeah. Oh, cool. N no it's Friday. It's five 30. Come on. Yeah. I mean it's, you get me four 30 for you and you have to buy a Tesla. Yeah. Like you're about, have to be late for buying a Tesla.
[00:53:55] Mark: I think
[00:53:56] Kalen: you gotta buy a damn Tesla, man. I gotta try. Don't freaking wire money to some frigging. Some accidental place or something like that.
[00:54:05] Mark: You can wire it to me if you want.
[00:54:07] Kalen: I don't have enough money to be just sending Ethereum into the universe like you, man. If I sent it to the wrong place,
[00:54:14] Mark: I don't have him enough money to do that either. I have $2,000 less.
[00:54:19] Kalen: You, I could tell you're freaking rolling
[00:54:22] Mark: it, but you're about to have two Teslas. So we're on the same level, like two Tesla clubs.
[00:54:28] Kalen: No, even close. We're the same. We're not even close. Oh, good times, man. We gotta figure out our closing sequence now that this podcast is becoming a thing.
[00:54:38] Mark: But thanks for the sponsors. Yep. Mom and dad. Yep. Life can subscribe. Hit that heart button. Oh, that stuff.
[00:54:45] Kalen: All that good stuff.
[00:54:47] Mark: The Celebrate button on LinkedIn
