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Ali & John are joined by special guest, ABA Program Director Erin! We discuss the goals, mechanics, and controversies of ABA therapy.

Ali's movie "The Apology" premieres Dec. 16th in theaters in LA/NY, and on Shudder and AMC+! Here's the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLTA1-3z1M4

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