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In Episode 23 of The Good Oil Podcast, Cam sits down with Hugh Devereux-Mack, public spokesperson for the Council of Licensed Firearm Owners.

As New Zealand debates the next stage of gun reforms, the conversation turns sharp. Hugh argues licensed owners are too often blamed, and pushes back hard.

Media-seasoned, intelligent and mission-focused. He and Cam don’t dodge the tough questions for gun owners nationwide.

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