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Have you been driving yourself into the ground getting after your goals? 

On today's podcast, I sit down for a candid conversation with award-winning journalist, speaker, and author L'Oreal Thompson Payton, a self-professed success junkie and poster girl for "overly" ambitious high achievers everywhere. 

We discuss the humbling journey of new motherhood, overcoming perfectionism to take career risks, and envision a way forward in pursuit of a softer form of success that doesn't involve chronically sacrificing our wellbeing - a radical act for women and women of color in particular. 

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