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Today’s guest is Alex Trembath, Deputy Director at the Breakthrough Institute. 

The Breakthrough Institute is a global research center that identifies and promotes technological solutions to environmental and human development challenges. Their vision is of a world that is good for both people and nature, and they believe that human prosperity and an ecologically vibrant planet are possible at the same time. They have an eco-modernist perspective and embrace technological innovation without sacrifice. 

In this episode, Jason and Alex discuss eco-modernism, the work at the Breakthrough Institute, Alex's views on the nature of the climate problem and what some environmentalists get wrong in his opinion. They also talk about potential solutions, the role of innovation, the role of policy, how urgent this challenge is and some of the best ways to address it. 

Starting on Wednesday 7th September at 9am PST / 12pm EST / 5pm BST  Alex will be joining the MCJ community in our AMA channel, answering questions asynchronously for 24 hours. Set your reminders, and get your questions ready!

In today’s episode, we cover: 

• [5:38] An overview of Breakthrough Institute and their focus on technological solutions to environmental problems 
• [7:18] Alex's climate journey and early ideological frictions with Breakthrough 
• [9:22] Origins of Breakthrough 
• [12:48] Alex's views on the right vs wrong way to think about the problem of climate change 
• [17:44] Dealing with climate anxiety 
• [25:26] Why different groups of people can look at the same data and have drastically different conclusions about the level of urgency required to address climate change 
• [28:02] GDP as a measure of human well-being 
• [31:01] Ways of decoupling emissions from economic growth 
• [33:49] Capitalism, colonialism, and mixed economies around the world 
• [39:00] Policy tools Breakthrough pursues to accelerate decarbonization 
• [43:42] Problems with net-zero pledges and voluntary offsets from big companies 
• [45:54] The role of individual behaviors and eco-modernist virtue signaling 
• [48:15] The role of government 
• [54:00] What drives Alex in his work 

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Episode recorded on August 8, 2022.

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