Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo received both criticism and praise for his statements (and actions) during the era of Covid shutdowns and restrictions. In this discussion, he describes the process he used to sort fact from fear and how to keep individual freedom in the conversation. Dr. Ladapo also explains what public officials and public health bureaucrats should have learned from the mistakes of 2020-2022. He also discusses his new book, Trandscend Fear: A Blueprint For Mindful Leadership in Public Health.