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For a long time Australia has taken it for granted that America can uphold the old US-led regional order by containing China’s bid to become the region’s leading power – which would keep us safe from any major threats from China. That is no longer something that is assured.

Guest: Professor Hugh White (Emeritus, Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, Australian National University)

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Recorded on 18 July, 2019.

Theme music: Asian Wonders by Butterfly Tea