And in-depth chat with Wellington writer, artist and musician Jon McLeary. We talk about the 35 year history of his band, the Spines. We talk about songwriting and his other writing pursuits including the novel "Manslaughter" and his weekly guest-post series at Off The Tracks, "The Ghost of Electricity. We talk influences and inspiration, playing music live and rehearsing. We talk about the artist's life and the need to create.