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By Father Perry D. Leiker, pastor

(Producer's note: Today's episode was originally recorded on Saturday, April 5, 2014)

"In that cross, the human and the divine come together. It's a perfect intersection, that even out of our most vile humanness and brokenness can come moments of grace, where we discover God — if we are indeed willing to welcome him in everywhere," Father Perry tells us for the 28th episode of our Lenten podcast. This episode was originally recorded on Saturday, April 5, 2014. "Consider sin like the messiest room in your house, and then sit down and have a little conversation with Jesus."