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We are joined by historian Mike Brenes to talk about military spending and the "defense conversion" movement which has sought to reallocate the military industrial complex back into society so that instead of stealth bombers we can have like, water fountains and stuff.

MIKE BRENES

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Historian/Lecturer at Yale. Author of “For Might and Right: Cold War Defense Spending and the Remaking of American Democracy.”