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In this episode we talk with Brian Hotrum. He is a historian, pastor, and soon to be Doctor of Ministry. He has pastored churches in Oregon and the Mid-west, including several years at a church in the St. Johns neighborhood of PDX. He currently pastors our sister church in Sweet Home, Oregon.

Brian and Adam talk about hope and despair, lessons that history can teach us for today, and how Brian's mom is a better preacher than both of us.