In this episode Rob (joined by Melody have way through) sits down with his friend Chris, and has a conversation about making education better with game elements.
https://www.up.edu/directory/Christopher-Lee.html
Chris's band Kvasir is here:(we don't get into this, but we met through the metal scene, so I thought it would be cool to share.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiz8OCkI2D8
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