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Poet Bernard Brown was New Zealand Society of Authors President of Honour in 2017-18 and is a Taipūrākau member. As a respected lawyer and law lecturer, he led the team giving advice on contracts and royalties for twenty years and also ran writing competitions for the Auckland Branch. Just before Christmas in 1999 Bernard sat down with Alison Gray and talked about the very beginning of PEN in Auckland almost thirty years earlier. Listen to the interview here.