This is a very informal conversation with my friend and frequent partner, Pat, and Cam, a Driving Theology first timer, on our way to the river for some raft guide training.
This recording runs from the last podcast on pain. I started recording mid drive because the conversation was going deep.
Unlike my usual style, this begins with the meat and then after around 10 minutes just gets into some general conversation about reataurants, etc. Unfortunately, It gets ver "male" toward the end, prompting me to end recording. I left if because I'm too lazy to edit, and it's kind of funny!
