Maureen Pollard interviews Sue Phillips, an End of Life Doula from Hamilton Ontario, about the truth about grief, and how you don't have to be afraid to talk about grief or about death. "Birth, we celebrate right, we celebrate, we buy gifts, and we do all kinds of things and have showers and 'baby this, baby that' and isn't it beautiful, but yet the death part is so frightening for people that we don't celebrate that transition ... and I think that's a big part of my goal is to help people feel less afraid of that transition."