In October 2024, Dr Phil Cummins was awarded a National Fellowship by the Australian Council for Educational Leaders at their Annual Conference. As part of this, Phil recorded a conversation as a guest of Michael Murphy which focused significantly on the work of character education. In this first episode of a two-part collaboration with the very talented and creative Michael, Phil talks about his work with a School for tomorrow. CIRCLE - The Centre for Innovation, Research, Creativity and Leadership in Education and the Game Changers Podcast.