The legendary rugby journalist Brenden "Baksteen" Nel joins me in the studio to discuss the year that has been in rugby, the sensational Springboks winning their 4th Rugby World Cup title, what the next move is for Rassie Erasmus after Jacques Nienaber's departure. We chat about his brand new book, Derick Hougaard, the drama that followed arguably one of South Africa's most talented rugby players, and his fall from grace.