How do leaders thrive amid uncertainty? In this thought-provoking conversation, Saul Betmead de Chasteigner, joins Mark Clark to explore what happens when confidence meets humility — and why certainty can be leadership’s most dangerous illusion.
Drawing on their diverse experiences, from the United Nations and global peacebuilding to creative industries and corporate strategy, Saul and Mark unpack how leadership evolves when complexity, conflict, and ambiguity become the norm.
Key themes include:
- Why certainty can destroy collaboration and unity
- Adaptive leadership in complex, fast-changing systems
- Lessons from peacebuilding and negotiation for business leaders
- The psychology of ambiguity and the human need for control
- Balancing authority with empathy and curiosity
- How AI transformation challenges our assumptions about leadership
Rooted in lived experience and academic insight, this conversation reveals how effective leadership today depends less on having the answers — and more on holding space for dialogue, reflection, and creative uncertainty.
“Certainty is the great enemy of unity, the deadly enemy of tolerance.” — The Conclave
