The Hidden Cost of Hustle: Why Emotionally Healthy Leaders Win
In this powerful episode of Thrive Today, host Natalie Born sits down with Simi John—author, speaker, and pastor—to unpack the often-overlooked emotional and spiritual layers of leadership. Together, they explore the link between burnout and boundaries, empathy and empowerment, and what it really looks like to lead from a place of emotional clarity and self-awareness. This candid conversation blends scripture, psychology, and practical wisdom to help women show up for themselves, their families, and their leadership callings with strength and perspective.
[00:01 - 05:36] Simi's Journey into Ministry and Mental Health
- Growing up in a collectivist culture and navigating identity
- The stigma around mental health in faith spaces
- Why emotional health is not optional for spiritual leaders
[05:37 - 11:04] The Cost of Compassion Without Boundaries
- Empathy vs. emotional enmeshment
- Why leaders must know where they end and others begin
- The power of regulated emotions for effective ministry
[11:05 - 17:18] Leading from a Whole, Not Hurting, Heart
- How generational trauma impacts leadership
- Surrendering outcomes as an act of spiritual discipline
- Distinguishing people-pleasing from godly service
[17:19 - 22:40] Preventing Burnout by Practicing Wisdom
- Warning signs of emotional burnout
- Why over-functioning is not the same as faithfulness
- Creating space to hear God again
[22:41 - 28:50] Rhythms for Rest and Recovery
- Simi’s personal practices for preventing burnout
- Balancing calling and capacity
- Letting God fill the gaps you cannot
Quotes:
“If I don’t steward my emotions, my emotions will steward me.” – Simi John
“Empathy is not taking on someone else’s pain; it’s recognizing it, honoring it, and leading with clarity.” – Simi John
Connect with Simi:
Website: simijohn.tv
Instagram: @simijohn
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