In this podcast I get together with my long time good friend and regular on the podcast Dan Heroy. We talk about the shift my ministry has taken over the last few years. And why I am now spending more time helping people outside of the church and traditional Christianity than on the inside of it. We talk about what's happening in the Church today and why there is such a mass exodus of people. And also talk about what needs to be done to address the issue. Hope you like it.
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