Description

This episode explores the relational function of the Junior Warden, focusing on the ability to notice when conversations, relationships, or group efforts can no longer move forward productively. The Junior Warden perspective is framed as the capacity to pause work when unmet needs or depletion prevent meaningful progress.

🔑 Key Takeaways

• Relational leadership requires noticing when no further progress is possible.
• Thrashing without movement is a sign that needs are not being met.
• Stopping work can be an act of care, not avoidance.
• Depletion, not disagreement, often blocks progress.
• Asking directly what someone needs can restore momentum or justify a pause.

💬 Featured Quotes

• “In noticing the relationships in your life, noticing the behavior of other people… a lot of things will start to become apparent.” (0:00–0:07)
• “You really gain enough insight when you're sitting in that junior warden role to effectively just stop the presses whenever you need to.” (0:31–0:42)
• “Being able to notice when no further progress can be made because someone else's needs are not being met.” (0:54–1:07)
• “What it feels like is… a whole lot of thrashing and not a lot of movement.” (1:19–1:30)
• “Those outbursts don't create progress towards the goal.” (1:42–1:48)
• “When do I stop this because it can't move forward any further?” (1:57–2:04)
• “Without that capacity… that thrashing will continue.” (2:11–2:16)
• “People will spin out.” (3:13–3:24)
• “Ask them, point blank… what do you need in this moment to recharge your batteries?” (3:18–3:29)
• “That inability to understand what you need to charge your batteries is something that we need to also be friendly to.” (4:12–4:16)
• “It’s enough in most cases as junior warden to note that the relationships… are unable to progress because people are depleted.” (5:26–5:33)

Learn more about interoception here: https://youtu.be/yaVOZ7nLa1Q

Creators & Guests

• Brian Mattocks - Host

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