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The conversation with Michael Greaves continues....

Part two dives into what 19 years of youth ministry has taught Greaves about what actually matters on a Friday night. Spoiler: it's not the program. It's not whether the game works or the band sounds good. It's the friendship, based on Jesus.

From feathers still turning up in church couches two months after a Home Alone 4D movie night, to the Halloween night where zero kids showed up until later, to teenagers spontaneously grabbing drums and keyboards mid youth group, this is youth ministry.

Greaves shares something that cuts through a lot of ministry pressure: everything on a Friday night, other than sharing the gospel, is negotiable. The point was never perfection. The point is being there, being friends, and pointing people to Jesus.

There's also a fun conversation about the energy recent convert teenagers bring, the rowdy year nine atheist who wants to debate God, the kids with zero filter and zero expectations, and why that chaos is actually one of the greatest gifts to a ministry.

Greaves, we love you.