Description

On today's episode, Finch joins Josiah to talk about the 2025 conclave, the Conclave (2024) fandom, and the last few weeks of Vatican news online.

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• Read Finch's piece "Death and the Archivist" here: https://jmkazmierczak.substack.com/p/death-and-the-archivist
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References

• "Society of the Snow (feat. Finch)," Fruitless, https://share.transistor.fm/s/69ca1424
• "The pope called them every night until his final hours. Now, Gaza’s Christians cling to the hope he left behind," Abeer Salman and Oren Liebermann for CNN, https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/23/middleeast/pope-gaza-christians-mourning-intl/index.html
• Conclave (2024, dir. Edward Berger)
• Conclave by Robert Harris
• Conclavoscope, https://conclavoscope.com/en
• "How Pope Crave Went From Conclave to the Conclave," Meg Zukin in Time, https://time.com/7283807/pope-crave-conclave-rome/
• "Cardinals are watching ‘Conclave’ the movie for guidance on the actual conclave," Ben Munster for Politico, https://www.politico.eu/article/cardinals-watch-conclave-movie-for-real-life-guidance/
• "Pope Leo XIV Watched Conclave Before Being Elected the New Pope (Yes, Really!)," John Weiss for NBC, https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/pope-leo-watched-conclave-movie-before-being-elected-new-pope-at-actual-conclave
• Papability Index, https://x.com/pope_predictor
• "Meet ‘Luce’: The Vatican’s cartoon mascot for Jubilee 2025," Courtney Mares for Catholic News Agency, https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/260129/meet-luce-the-vatican-s-cartoon-mascot-for-jubilee-2025
• Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation by Kristin Kobes Du Mez
•  "Cubs, White Sox celebrate election of Chicago native Pope Leo XIV," ESPN, https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45058434/chicago-cubs-white-sox-celebrate-pope-leo-xiv-sports-fandom
• "Chase Meidroth gets hit in the head with a pop up," https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/cam-booser-in-play-no-out-to-drew-waters
• "Church officials OK’d moving another priest accused of abuse to Hyde Park friary, records show," Robert Herguth in Chicago Sun Times, https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/26/22302129/catholics-priest-child-sex-abuse-st-john-friary-james-ray-richard-mcgrath-hyde-park-augustinians
• "Conservatives accused Prevost of covering up abuse in Peru and the United States before conclave," Pablo Ordaz in El Pais, https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-05-09/conservatives-accused-prevost-of-covering-up-abuse-in-peru-and-the-united-states-before-conclave.html
• "Pope dissolves Peru-based Catholic movement after ‘sadistic abuses’," The Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/20/pope-dissolves-sodalitium-of-christian-life-peru-catholic-movement-vatican-investigation
• "Will Pope Leo XIV be the one who makes the call on women deacons?," Phyllis Zagano in RNS, https://religionnews.com/2025/05/09/will-pope-leo-xiv-be-the-one-who-makes-the-call-on-women-deacons/
• "Pope Leo signals he will closely follow Francis and says AI represents challenge for humanity," Lauren Kent for CNN, https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/europe/pope-leo-prevost-cardinals-artificial-intelligence-intl
• "New Pope Leo XIV’s brother shared gross post calling Nancy Pelosi a ‘drunk c—t’," David Propper in New York Post, https://nypost.com/2025/05/11/us-news/new-pope-leo-xivs-brother-shared-gross-post-calling-nancy-pelosi-a-drunk-c/

Music & audio credits

• Gregorian Chant Rap Beat - sero.k
• Yesterday – bloom.
• "Chase Meidroth gets hit in the head with a pop up," https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/cam-booser-in-play-no-out-to-drew-waters
• A royalty free hip-hop remix of Ave Maria I downloaded back when I did Mammonburg but have lost the artist name since. If the person who did this somehow stumbles across this, let me know so I can credit you.