#289: We chat about Wandavision, and how many of our predictions were correct! We touch on grief and perseverance as the central focus of the show and how it succeeded (and missed the mark) in its execution.
Transcript
Josué Cardona 0:07
Welcome to gt radio on the Geek Therapy network here at Geek Therapy. We believe that the best way to understand each other and ourselves is through the media. We care about my name is Josué Cardona. And I’m joined by Link Keller.
Link Keller 0:17
what’s up?
Josué Cardona 0:18
And Lara Taylor.
Lara Taylor 0:20
Hey.
Josué Cardona 0:22
A few weeks ago, we talked about Wanda, grief and loss. Tonight, we’re talking about Wandavision, grief and perseverance. We finally finished watching the day. I mean, just like everybody else, apparently, it’s been very popular wandavision.
Lara Taylor 0:40
Very popular. And yeah, who thought it was really weird at the beginning.
Josué Cardona 0:45
Also, also very popular for us an episode, like a lot of people found us because of that episode, a lot of people googled wandavision and, and, and we popped up.
Lara Taylor 0:55
I just, I was just gonna say I just want to bring up that we were right. About most thingswe said
Josué Cardona 1:01
yeah, so So welcome to Episode 289.
Link Keller 1:06
We were right.
Josué Cardona 1:09
I mean, to be fair,
Link Keller 1:10
great episode everyone.
Josué Cardona 1:12
Yeah, to be fair, we, we speculated all over the place. So we couldn’t not be right, because we pretty much covered every possibility. The only way that we could have been wrong is if it was all a dream, and nobody guessed that. So it was so we did good we did good. We weren’t we were some of us. Were right. Some of us were more right than others. It doesn’t matter who it was. You can go back and listen, it’s fine. But I think I think that was a lot of fun. After the first four episodes, there’s definitely something going on there. At least we were all correct. And that there was definitely it was wanda dealing with her with her grief. And now that the show is over, and yeah, we got to the end. So yeah, so this will be full of spoilers. So if you haven’t seen the show, and don’t care to, be sure to stick around. But if you want to see the show, and you haven’t yet, save us for later, you know the drill. So yeah, wandavision ended. And we were right about a lot of things. A lot of grief going on. But there were there was, yeah, I mean, yeah. Either of you can start with whatever whatever you wherever you want to go. There’s a lot to cover.
Link Keller 2:28
Well, I want to start by saying I was very much on the train of Wanda’s story being about grief, and dealing with grief. But after the finale, I think it really has less to do with her grief over losing vision and more to do about her general life trauma, and dealing with trauma. Obviously, visions death was traumatic. So that still fits in there. But I think the way that they wrap the show up was less to do with grief and acceptance of loss and more to do with really coming to understand how all of these series of traumatic events in her life fed into each other up to the point that she created this magical world to escape from it.
Lara Taylor 3:21
Interesting, interesting, because I would argue
Link Keller 3:23
that’s where I’m gonna start us off,
Lara Taylor 3:25
you’re going to start off, I would argue that a lot. There are other traumas in her life, but most of her traumas deal with the death of a family member, both of her parents, her brother, her brother, and then her life and she’s literally alone. So
Josué Cardona 3:45
there’s, there’s something that happens in episode eight, I think it was. That’s the one that explained everything and showed everything from before. And they show her going. She says that she’s going to retrieve visions body. And I believe her like she’s like, he’s like, you can’t have the body. Right. The Hayward is like, Well, you can’t have it. You can you can see his dismembered body right there. But you can’t you can’t have it and then she’s so angry that she but she’s telling him like, I don’t want to bring him back to life. And he’s like, I think you want to try to bring him back. And she’s like, that’s not what I want to do. Like, I want to try to, like I just I just want to bury him. And and I don’t know,
Lara Taylor 4:39
he’s like no, no, bring bring him back. Bring him back so I can use him.
Josué Cardona 4:44
Yeah, maybe maybe. Yeah, that could that could that could have been it actually. Yeah.
Lara Taylor 4:48
I’ve seen I’ve seen a lot of commentary about how that’s
Josué Cardona 4:50
exactly what’s happening. Okay. Okay,
Lara Taylor 4:53
because that’s what he was trying to do the whole time was bringing him back.
Josué Cardona 4:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, that makes sense that he was manipulating her but I feel She was, she was ready at that point to, to go through that process of laying him to rest. Right. And, and again, like she had already at that point she had already accepted that she couldn’t bring him back to life. Right. Like, I don’t think she was even trying. And then maybe when Hayward was manipulating her, she got get close. And she’s like, I can’t, like I can’t feel him there. like, I don’t, I don’t feel you, I think is what she said when she touches the body. And then, and then she then she gets upset, and then she can’t like proceed with this with the with just the grieving of going through the ritual of grief that she wanted to. That was taken from her. Um, although she’s super powerful, she could have just like, murdered everybody there. But again, like at that point, I think she was still she was good enough that like, she was like, I’m not gonna do this. And then like the sorrow of when she went to the house and started thinking of everything that could have been that couldn’t be, that’s when she she like exploded and created this entire world, including creating a version of vision. Which, which I think, I don’t know, in episode eight is where there’s a quote, where vision tells her What is grief, if not love persevering? That’s been like shared all over the place.
Lara Taylor 6:27
Beautiful line. When Nina and I watched the finale, and Wanda says, I think it was she says, You are my love. And Nina said, it is a missed opportunity that she didn’t say, You are my love persevering.
Josué Cardona 6:44
I think it’s implied. I think it’s implied. That’s it. That’s what I’m getting at.
Lara Taylor 6:47
But it would have been a good call back.
Josué Cardona 6:49
I’m just saying doesn’t have to be. So on the nose. Some people need it on the nose.
Link Keller 6:54
it feels very on the nose to me, but
Josué Cardona 6:56
already, right
Link Keller 6:57
already.
Josué Cardona 6:58
So So he says, So vision vision says, You know what, what am I and she says you vision are the peace of the mind stone that lives in me. You are a body of wires and blood and bone that I created. You are my sadness and my hope. But mostly You are my love. And then he says, have been a voice with no body, a body, but not human. And now a body. Oh, no, and now a memory made real. Who knows what might be next. And, And to me, that’s where like, the show makes a lot of sense. But it’s like, you have all these feelings and they change over time, right? Like you’re experiencing these things, and they can at one po...
