In this series of recorded encounters we speak with the participants of Onassis AiR to shed light on their artistic practices and needs, as well as to reflect on ways of being and working together. In this conversation, I'm very happy to be speaking with Harry Isra Muhammad. Harry is a researcher and editor focusing on the intersection between literature, art, locality and its ecosystem, especially in eastern Indonesia. Harry is a co-founder and part of Jalur Timur, an independent collective whose praxis develops around contemporary art and cultural activism in eastern Indonesia and beyond. He is a participant of The School of Infinite Rehearsals Movement V, delving into a collective study on issues of governance and more specifically the notion of self-organization. Today, we discuss about the notion of the collective and the role of friendship and care in fostering collective governance.