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AI and programming is a hot topic, and it feels like Brianhas found that "founder/audience" fit where his interests align with a wave of audience interest. He and Justindiscuss their process for making YouTube videos. Justin also asks: "how do we ensure that our worst tendencies don’t bloom" when we're making products? (Founder retreats and masterminds come up). The big topic: Brian's not loving SaaS (anymore).


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