It's a trying time for global diplomacy, with wars in Ukraine and Gaza, along with other turmoil across the world. Jeremy talks to British diplomat David Rutley about how he thinks about the current moment. Plus: Imam Taymullah Abdur-Rahman, whose life has taken him from a Maurice Starr's '80s boyband Perfect Gentlemen to a career in promoting social change, talks to Paris about his new book "American Imam: From Pop Stardom to Prison Abolition."
