In this episode, Tom sits down with longtime friend and BGSU classmate Phil Washburn, President and CEO of the Furniture Bank of Central Ohio. Phil shares his journey from biology student and missionary in Mexico to nonprofit executive leading a multimillion dollar social enterprise. Along the way he talks about balancing leadership with family life, stepping unexpectedly into the CEO seat, and what it means to grow into the kind of leader others see in you before you see it yourself. The conversation also explores how CEOs and major gift officers think differently about donor relationships and how the best leaders bring those perspectives together.