This week, Helen Czerski catches up with Michael Liebreich on why hydrogen's hype is deflating, what the electrification staircase says we should do now, and why the energy transition is easier than it looks.
0:00 Introduction and welcome to Michael Liebreich
2:04 What is the "hydrogen soufflé"?
5:35 Hydrogen ladder 6.0: cheaper batteries and a growing "row of doom"
9:14 Why clean hydrogen will likely stay blue, and white hydrogen reality check
14:07 Wind and solar overtake gas, and the primary energy fallacy
18:45 Do fuel cells have a future? Data centres and backup power
21:29 The electrification staircase: the 70% still to electrify
32:56 Who it's for, plus noisy motorbikes, Orwell's coal fire and induction hobs
37:39 Trump, heatwaves, Hormuz and Australia's battery boom
47:13 Skiing, glaciers, "no cold turkey on progress", and the Cleaning Up plug
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